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| Allies and Rivals; A public discussion thread regarding how factions are viewing each other. | |
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| Topic Started: Nov 16 2014, 06:46 PM (3,525 Views) | |
| Still Eternity | Nov 16 2014, 10:40 PM Post #21 |
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Zaunite Summoner, Member of the Glorious Evolution, and Destroyer of Universes
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As a Bilgewater Summoner this arc, I have done some thinking. We have no business allying ourselves with Ionia. Not only would this be like, as many other Bilgerats said, like deciding what kibble to feed a dog biting our leg, but they have little to offer us that would truly give us any value. I see no reason to associate ourselves with them. I would support joining up with the Freljord, but it seems they themselves just can't decide on who they like and who they don't like (rather fitting for a semi-unified nation of three states, eh?) One minute they support a crucial petition, the next they stab us in the back. BOPwise, there is merit in teaming up just to give our superiority a lock; there's likely little Ionia or the Isles could possibly do to the two strongest of the Factions in one godly alliance. As of right now, I view them as neutral with upside on the grand scheme of things. I really want to see the next results before coming to a final conclusion though. The Shadow Isles is an odd case. Many have suggested teaming up with them, for multiple reasons. All of them valid reasons too. In a way, everything fits together. SI has a powerful military, we a powerful navy. They have power over the dead, we have power over trade routes and coin. In many ways, our nations compliment each other. However, the Isles have always been traditionally... well, seemingly Evil. They allied with Discord during the Void War and almost elected to create a spire to feed souls to the void. Shadow Isles it seems, is after pure power, at any cost. This puts my vote in an awkward position. I want to ally with the Shadow Isles, but I don't trust them. I don't want Bilge to ally with the Faction that's one bad day from feeding the world to the Void. I understand that we can quite likely take on the Shadow Isles given our current position, and that they pose no significant threat (now), but it still makes me very uneasy to so suddenly ally with them. I would like to see how they move forward first. So, my opinion is they are a beneficial ally now, but that they might become more trouble than they're worth later. |
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| RaptorAttacks | Nov 17 2014, 10:46 AM Post #22 |
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Archmage
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Hi, Raptor Here. So, you want us to ally with you? Sit down. You don't have a chair? What, you got some sort of standing up desk or something? Huehuehue!... you think your better than me don't you? So, Ionia: They could be useful, with the ability to get our petitions boosted (Kog'maw would be nice), but we aren't exactly buddy-buddy at the moment. Bilgewater? We have nothing we can use each other for. We couldn't climb past Bilgewater if we did eventually manage to climb over Ionia and Freljord, and they're kinda... backstabby. Also, I think Gangplank's a little bit racist. DEAD MEN DO TELL TALES. Freljord? Our best option, but with Ashe? AH HELL NAH, Give us Lissandra, heck, even Sejuani! Even if we did get Ashe on our good side, she'd prolly just ditch us for Ionia. Sejuani though, GHOST VIKINGS! UNDEAD PIG RIDERS! SKELETAL PENGUINS! IN CONCLUSION: The Bagel tastes really old, and I think I'm going to vomit. Freljord best option if they ditch Ashe, if not, Bilgewater, if not... Zaun. NECRONS, NAGGA. WE NEED NECRONS. |
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| Junpei Tenmyouji | Nov 17 2014, 12:06 PM Post #23 |
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June-pay Ten-me-oh-gee
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I like how Bilgewater is acting like we're the aggressors. You bilgerat scoundrels attacked us first. This is retribution. Balance, if you would. Now that I have that out of the way... I think Ionia should try to ally with the Freljord. If the Bilgerats want to ally with the rotting corpses, that's fine, but the Freljord has already been smiting the undead left and right. I believe that, if we were to team up, we could create a powerful enough force to overtake Bilgewater as the leading faction. Freljordians, I ask you to consider what you have to gain; Ahri. Master Yi. Irelia. All that (and more!) as long as you team up with us for this one short arc. You scratch our tournament-losing back, we scratch your broken-up-nation backs. It's a win-win situation for the both of us, because we're weak enough as it is that we would never be able to actually betray you. Besides, you ally with Bilgewater, you're basically just getting the guys in first even further ahead. If that's what you want, go ahead, but don't be surprised when they're merrily winning the arc while Graves puts a bullet through Ashe's skull. In conclusion, screw the bilgerats, help us out, Freljord. |
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| runesage86 | Nov 17 2014, 12:19 PM Post #24 |
Acolyte of the Kinkou
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**Rune throws in his two cents** ALTHOUGH Ionia may have literally everything going wrong at the moment, if you look at the stats, they are Highest in industry and research (based on completion), 2nd highest in Favor, and 2nd highest in general power statistics. It really has no lackluster stats (except perhaps luck, but that doesn't seem to be a stat... Why?) Also, where other factions are, perhaps a little deprived, of a certain stat (i.e. research and espionage. This is kind of funny looking at the recent events.) Ionia has it in abundance. So, that's my two cents. |
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| Damaster00777 | Nov 17 2014, 12:23 PM Post #25 |
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Secretary of Fabulosity
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As a spooky summoner, I really like Bilge right now (Dude(s), call us. We can hook you up with spooky ghost/skeleton pirates, a la PotC). Also, they tried to help us on the first petition, unlike another faction that shall remain nameless. That particular faction knows what they did, and should feel ashamed of kicking the guys who were down. As for the Freljord, I feel very "meh" about them. They haven't done anything to be overtly dick-ish. So yeah, Bilge is cool, Frel is meh, and I hate that last faction that shall not be named. |
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| CupcakeTrap | Nov 17 2014, 12:26 PM Post #26 |
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![]() such balance, wow shadow isles make much scare many fourthings, how many circle bilgewater pirates, how friending such beard freljord also much beard, so scare very red, why please decision amaze Edited by CupcakeTrap, Nov 17 2014, 12:31 PM.
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| RaptorAttacks | Nov 17 2014, 12:46 PM Post #27 |
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Archmage
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THE BALANCE HURTS MY EYES
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| runesage86 | Nov 17 2014, 01:18 PM Post #28 |
Acolyte of the Kinkou
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Also, Junpei doesn't speak for all Ionian summoners. I personally have nothing against Bilgewater the Shadow Isles, or the Freljord. By the way, how do allies work anyway? Do they share some stats or something? |
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| StormRevolver | Nov 17 2014, 04:31 PM Post #29 |
Magus
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i think everyone else said whats relevant about SI alliance stuff, so what im a bit more interested is, that why isnt bilge getting friendly with bandle city instead of zaun? i mean bandle helped fiz and nami, so i tought that bilge with nami as a leader would hover more over bandle's side than zaun but as far as i can tell it feels like they are still more friendly to zaun. |
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| Wizard996 | Nov 17 2014, 04:45 PM Post #30 |
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Random Silver Scrub
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I'll admit that it feels like we kinda cheated BC out of a major part of their research last arc. While working with them would be a-okay with me, as they're currently little more than Piltover's puppet state, that is why it is difficult to breach that gap. As for Zaun: We have a LOT of Zaunite summoners here. Moreover, there was not an insignificant talk in Zaun about allying with Bilge. Zaun also heavily values freedom, which we rather enjoy (they have commercial and ethical freedom at least). Last but not least, together we are a Commercial EMPIRE. They make the goods and ship it here, we get plenty of money in taxation, and then sell it. It's a win-win for both of us. Okay, I lied about last. Zaun is also one of the few major/superpowers that might be willing to protect us militarily should someone like Demacia or a united Freljord barrel down on us. Zaun values coin, and we could pay them off. Did I mention we even have a loose connection due to Twitch? Also, to CCT: that's quite an interesting pitch, and it makes complete sense that the Isles might actually say those kinds of things. But as Bilge has changed to better the inhabitants of these new islands, perhaps the Isles should consider a...minor change in its diplomacy tactics. |
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| Naggarok | Nov 17 2014, 05:17 PM Post #31 |
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Full Stop.
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For the record, Bandle City never helped Nami in any way, shape, or form seeing as how they picked Braum over her and the submarines were only looking for the Atlanteans. The only reason I see why Nami was included was because Cupcake didn't want The Moonstone plot point he had been thinking about to go to waste since nothing Bandle did showed any interest about the Marai besides the final project votes of Splashy Time, which was also going to be mainly for the Atlanteans. So Nami probably wouldn't be really keen on them due to Noxian presence in Bilgewater and the fact that she really has no ties to BC besides Fizz, especially seeing as the only reason she came to them in the first place is because they could go to the moon. Also chances are Bilgewater sees Bandle City as looting material since it's defenses are poor and the majority of its shipping is liable to water-based as it's completely isolated form the rest of civilization behind two mountain ranges. There's also the fact that Bandle is doing the whole "Zaun and Noxus are EVILLLLLLLLL" which are a giant commerce source and Bilgewater's main supplier of military presence respectively. Also, Bandle City has shown itself to be almost completely dishonest when it comes to anything and everything, so why bother being friends with someone whose going to stab you in back immediately anyway. As for Bandle cities research situation, it's actually better than you think because the Velectronic Rail(the other option) is better suited as an industry project. Splashy Time City will probably be only at 500 research due to the Atlanteans being found. So when they finish their current projects they'll be able to do both at the same time instead of just one, so yeah they won't be overtly screwed. Final Note: Bandle City is currently at -21 Favor. The Void was ranked higher in favor until it was decided that the Void couldn't actually petition anything because of the "Eat Everything" argument being rather weak. |
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| RaptorAttacks | Nov 17 2014, 05:24 PM Post #32 |
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Archmage
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I mean, I hear Vel'koz ran for senator once. Somehow got more votes than Teemo and Azir. Guess you could say EYE'm leading up to a pun. or something. I'll go now. |
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| StormRevolver | Nov 17 2014, 06:06 PM Post #33 |
Magus
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yes this was the situation with gangplank or maybe even as mf as leader but with nami? i dont know. |
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| CupcakeTrap | Nov 17 2014, 06:59 PM Post #34 |
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Regarding currently inactive ("NPC") factions, I think we should have more opportunities for active factions to voice their opinions on those issues. (We've got an idea for an upcoming "unfinished business" mini-tournament; more on that later, as we'll definitely want to get the community's opinions before we finalize it.) |
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| silencermage | Nov 17 2014, 08:49 PM Post #35 |
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Research and Devlelopment
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So not trying to offend any other factions here but my personal belief is to befriend ionia. Yes each of us had rocky starts and us arguing all the time and quarreling with each other isn't making it any better. Plus Tbh SI and ionia can usually only beat each other in pickup matches but i still think an alliance between the two of us is the better way to go. Personally i like being the underdog out to prove the other teams that we can come back and show that were not just some weak willed skeletons who can't even dance to the monster mash. We can be a superpower if we really fight for it imo. I quote myself in saying " We are the blue shell destined to strike down the first place player" |
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| Kwon Ri Sae | Nov 17 2014, 10:15 PM Post #36 |
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Name Changer Extraordinare
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Let's hope so, in the upcoming matches next Saturday. |
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| Licantus | Nov 17 2014, 11:26 PM Post #37 |
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Conjurer
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I think you are forcing factions to make alliance with each other and this is not good story-wise. Take for example the Hextech arc: Piltover and BC allied together only AFTER they aided each other in the previous chapters AND because they have a lot of point in common AND also both weren't going well. This is what is missing in this arc: a reason why a faction should ally with another, when each faction has made only its own interests so far and have interacted only with petitions and espionage, but not in the field. Most of the comments I read in this thread are made from the point of view of a Faction player and not from a summoner of a faction (most, not all) this isn't the reason I came to Factions. I want LORE not mechanical thinking!! Sure, the mechanic should serve to manage the lore, but if something make no sense.. it make no sense! From the point of view of Bilgewater, making an alliance with the only faction which don't hate us (SI) make no sense. The only reason to do that is to avoid that all the other three factions group together against Bilge, a thing that's impossible lore-wise because the other factions all have point of view totally different from each other. Honestly, why Ionia, who seeks balance, would end up with SI? And the same is true for Freljord, now that Ashe is in lead. Maybe if they change leader with Lissandra, they can found a common point in the use of magic, but it's still unlikely now. For SI: you can do better than what you have done so far, but form an alliance that make no sense isn't the solution. Be pride and climb the ladder yourself, then we can face togheter face to skull! Arrrr!!! A last thing: considered all the above, I think that this thread should be called "Neutrals and Rivals", and in light of that for me Bilge is neutral to SI and rival to Ionia and Freljord (this not by its choice). I hope all of this will be helpful, I tried to organize all the brainstorming I had in mind during the writing.
Edited by Licantus, Nov 17 2014, 11:27 PM.
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| Tofuology | Nov 18 2014, 01:12 AM Post #38 |
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Nya Nya~
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Followed by two red shells, a green shell, and a bomb-omb. Edited by Tofuology, Nov 18 2014, 01:14 AM.
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| StormRevolver | Nov 18 2014, 03:28 AM Post #39 |
Magus
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actualy in my book si and ionia can go a long way together in philosophy. Death is just as much part of the balance as life. and i support this actualy as a summoner who hail from piltover who likes to build good relations between factions. |
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| runesage86 | Nov 18 2014, 06:43 AM Post #40 |
Acolyte of the Kinkou
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Freljord has problems with balance right now, but in Ionia, we're confident their political situation will reach an equilibrium. Ashe values peace, and Sejuani values war. Lissandra is probably the most balanced between the two, but we don't know much about her. I agree with StormRevolver. Death is the ultimate balance to life, and as the beings from SI are the only dead we can reach, now that Zed destroyed our Kaiden-bako. We're working on that. Also, the Kaiden-bako that we might discover may have some use for the entities in SI. Finally, Bilgewater. It may have a reputation that might be a little detrimental towards order, but it's recent actions in gifting the Marai the moonstone for free, restoring a major balance in the ocean, impressed me, and probably other Ionians. |
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