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November 23 Megapoll (Bilgewater); Discuss the megapoll options, and vote.
Topic Started: Nov 24 2014, 12:40 AM (1,033 Views)
CupcakeTrap
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Link to vote: Here
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Results so far: Here
Edited by CupcakeTrap, Nov 25 2014, 08:00 AM.
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Vespertinity
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Leadership: Under Gangplank, Bilgewater would just be a hideout for pirates. Miss Fortune is a preferable option, but if we want to truly make Bilgewater the representative of all maritime interests (which I do), I think Nami is the stronger option. Being essential to global trade is one thing, but having the might of the oceans on your side gives you significant political clout. She also has the strongest ties to Diana, who's shaping up to lead the Lunari. Could be advantageous to have them under our banner. On a more meta note, our commerce doesn't really need help, but our research could use it.
In short, I support Nami.

Recruitment: I'd like to get Desmeya on our side. The mysteries of Aeaea could be important, and having its ruler working with us would be a significant boon. Also, she's an enchantress. That's a skill we're still lacking.

Islands: I would like to go to Scheria. It sounds the least dangerous, and it seems like there could be a lot of useful information on it. That said, the other two islands sound okay too, so Scheria is not a very hard preference.

Champions: Maokai would give us another jungler. While he can't initiate the way Nautilus can and doesn't deal as much damage as Diana, he's way better at protecting carries, which would make Miss Fortune and Twisted Fate safer picks. The other option I would support is Sivir, for the utility of her ult. Jax and Nautilus in particular would really benefit from having her on the team.

New Champion System: I support it. Equalises the factions a bit.

Special Tournament: While I'm no fan of Demacia, I don't support torture. This choice is easy.
The other choice is also easy. We have better relations to Zaun than we do to Piltover, and they have way more merchandise for us to transport. Zaun is the far more profitable option.
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Licantus
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Leadership: Having read the new detailed explanation and thinking better at what happened so far with Nami, I have changed my mind and I would not feel good to dismiss her now. Still I liked a lot when we sent Miss Fortune as our representative to Nyroth at the start of the arc and I think she would be a great leader. So currently I'm divided between them.

Recruitment: Even before the options were shown, I thinked about the opportunity to recruit Desmeya and I loved it. Maybe in this way we could uncover something about her and her power?

Islands: Two islands attract me: Kibu and Scheria. Kibu for the position, we would have control of all the north islands, and for the winged humanoids in the sketch and extradimensional not-Void energies, that make me think of Morgana and Kayle. Scheria for the duality theme and the bond with the moon which we share.

Champions: I am towards Maokai, but I accept suggestions from those who are more active in matches than me.

New Champion System: I have some corcern about it for two reason: generally I do not like heavy changes in the middle of something and I think that this new system should be well studied before being implemented for the next arc. Said that, I think it may be a good temporary change.

Special Tournament: I personally don't like torture, but then should I support Demacia over Noxus? After that treacherous attack to Zaun? Nope: Demacia was wrong, so it must accept the consequences of his actions. For the second one, I obviously support Zaun.
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Leadership: We need to be unified in our leadership vote, and Nami seems to be the option nobody has any real objections to. Honestly, Nami also provides serious benefits in terms of maritime power and so far has been a great boon to us with the magical properties of Nyroth. I'd be pleased with her.

Recruitment: I'm sure Desmeya wouldn't ever doublecross us. It's not like we could be going to an island with massive magical power she could take control of. Ah, never. So, Attur kinda sounds nice. Commerce, can never have enough of that. Also might have some knowledge of this or that ancient weapon that might come in handy

Island: I want to take Kibu. But at the same time I want Ionia to. I don't think there is any settlement or place of trade there, but the possibilities of repairing the nexus, it might be the first step to purifying nyroth. And what's better than having a few islands of people to give and receive from? A continent. Ionia has a better chance than we do of repairing it. So lets go to Scheria and force Ionia to Kibu (unless they want Krocylea but I don't think they do.) Plus, Diana might have some business there.

Champion: I love sivir. But I'm biased and not very active in matches (I'm apparently not on with everyone else ;_;). But still, she can syngergize with Jax and our assassins by giving them the speed boost needed, while also being able to take advantage of the different splitpushing buffs, clearing waves like 1-2-3-Q and gives us a poke in her Q. But Maokai certainly has his benefits too. Another support, another utility jungler, good counter to Ionia.

Champ pickup system: The only issue I see with it is how quickly it happens. But when it's gated by the fact that once secondaries and cores are gone, it goes down to 2 pickups every 3 weeks it seems like it works at a good pace. I support it.

Special Tournament: DEMACIAAAAAAA. Oh, sorry. A reflex I can't get out. Anyways, this helps drive a further wedge into Ionia/Freljord and Demacia. And we're not good friends with those guys, which this could change. Katarina might not have kind words to say, though.
Secondly: Zaun. I'm not going to be giving my support to someone I think might lose.
Edited by Jpdaniel, Nov 24 2014, 05:50 AM.
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Leadership: I'm OK with Nami or MF. Simply put, all of the best options so far have been from being the "good guys", and GP doesn't fit that.

Recruitment: i'm OK with anything, really.

Island: Kibu would probably give us another champion option probably, so i want to go there, but Scheria also seems like a good option.

Champion: Maokai. Everyone wants the tree. He'd give us a top laner/jungler/support as well. Plus he brings top tier lockdown and can peel well, and he'd be amazing vs. every other faction as well.

Champ Pickup System: Sure? My only problem with this is I think that it favours groups with more core or secondary options.

Special Tournament: Let's be honest here, Piltover's never gotten it's shit together. I fully support Zaun here because they WILL win. For the other option, I'm going to throw my vote of support for Demacia because I disagree with torture. Did they do something they probably shouldn't have? Yes. Did they get punished for it? Yes. I see no reason to go farther.
Edited by Animorpherv1, Nov 24 2014, 08:57 AM.
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Leadership: I still fully support Nami. Like many others, I really see no reason for Gangplank to take leadership at this point. Nyroth right now requires no major military presence, and even if there was a little strong-arming that was necessary, there's nothing stopping us from having Gangplank leading military actions. Furthermore, I still think that political ties are going to be a lot more effective than commercial ties, and since we're a relatively new faction it's also important for us to build up our Research-based advantages. Finally, since we're effectively acting as governor for Nyroth, political stability should be our focus for everyone's well-being.

Recruitment: At this point, I guess I would accept Desmaya, but I would still keep an eye on her. However, I'd still be open to other options, especially espionage options in particular. having a greater espionage is always going to be helpful, for both events and counter-espionage.

Island: I personally am intrigued by Kibu's magical density, but I'd still be willing to follow Bilgewater wherever it wants to go. Even with Scheria having a little more religious fervor than most, I'd say anywhere and everywhere is open, since I don't think we can say any island we explore turned out exactly as predicted.

Champion: Maokai's the clear best choice here (For tanking, alternate support, and as a top option), but I can see some logic behind Twitch. He's an alternate AD that's got some range behind him, like MF, but his kit is admittedly effective in pick-off lineups.

Pick-up System: I don't see why not; bumping everyone's roster up at the same time's going to make things a little more variable, and it isn't that big of a deal since most factions already have everyone they need.

Special Tournament: Noxus v Demacia- I really do despise Noxian tactics and their moral calculus. Besides, if they really need "information", they've already got plenty of corpses to apply Necromancy to as they please. Supporting Demacia (mostly anti-Noxian, though).
Piltover v Zaun: I personally can't decide. I know many Bilgewater folk are either pro-Zaun, or were Zaunite summoners, and in turn I support them, but I've still got just a touch of anti-Zaun sentimentality in the back of my mind. Hopefully it'll go away over time.....
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Leadership: Like many of the others in the thread, I believe we should stay the course with Nami. Her research and relations focus are things that have led to our success on Nyroth, and between our island choices and our research options.

Recruitment: As sketchy as she seems, recruiting Desmaya is the best option, not only is she powerful we would be able to look into Aaeaa much more easily with her gone. (The only potential issue would be her being our own version of liss, but what could go wrong!?)

Island: I don't really have much of a focus but I like the possibilities of Kibu, not only would it be nice magically but it also would give us control of the northern islands. That's always a plus.

Champion: It's gotta be Maokai, although we could bring one of the others up as well, it'd be nice to have Diana easier to recruit, but short term Mao I sthe best.

Pick-Up system: Fine by me, no problems here.

Special tourney: I know many people would like to extend relations with Noxus, but I don't like torture and let's face it, the pirate-y people of us wouldn't like to be locked up. As for Piltover-Zaun, I don't have an opinion on it, I'm fine either way.
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Hi all. Just added the promotion vote. As with the Freljord, I think we should resolve this before we move on to the mega-poll.

Brief comment on NPCs: rest assured that they will all have the same power level overall. And no, none of them will backstab Bilgewater. (They've all got their own agendas, and they're not going to become either a slave or a fanatic devotee, but they'll help you out.)
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A note about Demacia vs Noxus: go to see the updated text! I think they changed it because before it was hard to think of supporting Noxus.
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Nov 24 2014, 02:11 PM
A note about Demacia vs Noxus: go to see the updated text! I think they changed it because before it was hard to think of supporting Noxus.
Yeah; the goal wasn't necessarily to make it super-gray, but it was a bit flat and one-dimensional before. Demacia is definitely scary in its own way, and while Noxus isn't likely to win too many people over with its "but think of the CHILDREN!" angle, given that it gassed its own refugee settlement to win a token piece of territory, it has some blood on its hands, and has shown a troubling tendency to "go it alone" in recent times.

I also have issues with the whole "torture them for information" trope, even in a fantasy setting. Much better to tie in the PsiKorps: waterboarding may not do much to extract valuable intel, but things might change if the torture involved telepathic spies who can split your thoughts open!
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Leadership I agree that we stick with Nami. While I don't dislike Miss Fortune Nami has done well so far and I see no reason to change.

Recruitment I'm skeptical of it but I say we pick up Desmaya. I still don't really trust her but the bonuses she offers are very nice and maybe we can do a little snooping on her. Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

Island I'm thinking Kibu if we want to be brave. It seems interesting but If we want to play it safe I'm fine with going to Scheria.

Pick-up System I'm fine with this system as long as Factions who don't have very many secondary's are compensated in some way. Maybe wait till next arc to implement it though.

Special Tourney I'm siding with Noxus on this one. Demacia should have taken the mines up with the league instead of just attacking.
This seems to be an unpopular opinion though so it looks like we'll be supporting Demacia. So just a quick question for Nagga/Cupcake will we have to play for the faction our faction supports?
For the 2nd match I don't really care I'll follow the factions choice on that one.
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Leadership I think that MF is still our best choice, but being realistic, I'll throw my vote to Nami. Echoing some other summoners, all the "best" choices so far have been good-guy type, and that ain't GP's style.

Recruitment After reading that CCT has guaranteed that Desmeya won't betray us, she's definitely the best option. After her though, I'm a fan of automata, so Awaoi-01's a nice choice.

Island I do want to know what's up with Krocylea, but Kibu seems like it HAS THE POWAAAAAAAAH and I would quite like some of that. For...research purposes, of course. *Mechanical laugh*

Pick-up System I don't really care what happens here, TBH. I'm fine with either system, and it seems like the question is more directed at those who have a less...consistent champion income.

Special Tournament Noxus and Zaun. As a Zaunite, these are obviously my choices, but here's my rationale: Demacia is freakin' annoying. They stick their self-righteous noses into everything anyone does without asking, and just gets in the way in general. More importantly, however, is the fact that Noxus has kinda gotten crapped on by the world, and they're sick of it. I don't blame them for wanting a little...recompense. As for the other choice? A) Hometown and B) Zaun is going to win. Period.
Edited by XalkXolc, Nov 25 2014, 08:16 AM.
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Soda: you can vote to support one faction and fight for the other. You're a free agent, your loyalty here is irrelevant to who you want to support in these next disputes.

Leadership: I like MF the best, but I can get behind Nami. She has done well for us so far, and I'd much rather her over GP.

Recruitment: Desmeya. As long as she doesn't turn us into animals or something, she would be pretty awesome to have on our side, and we can even take the opportunity to investigate her some more on Aeaea later, or get a backstory as to how they prospered so much.

Island: Kibu. Definitely Kibu. The insane energy must be researched for ourselves, and I'll be damned if we give away the newest Extradimensional Theory to Ionia or something.

Pickup System: I say go with it and see how it works out. I fear mostly for factions like Bilgewater and Shurima that won't have a ridiculous amount of secondary pickups available, but we'll see how it all works. Maybe a revised politics could help bump a champion up a notch or so? Idk...

Tourney: Pfft, Zaun, obviously. We-I mean THEY'RE completely in the right on this one. Stupid Piltover is just trying to use legal loopholes to get our phyrikos, and the legal stuff is for OU-I mean THEIR lawyers.
I'll throw in with Noxus here. It's easier to get behind without the torture, Demacia was stupid for trying to give the negotiation paper to Jinx, and just THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
Edited by Wizard996, Nov 24 2014, 07:59 PM.
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Nov 24 2014, 12:40 AM
Link to vote: Here
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In case you haven't seen it, the pool is up!

To CupcakeTrap: you have done a good work with the leadership pool this time. ;)
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Ah, good to see it's up. Also, good thing to note is the leader ship questions: Nami or GP, GP or MF, and MF or Nami. I'm gonna vote up MF (regardless that more of you guys want Nami), but DEFINITELY Nami over GP. She's done well.
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Leadership
I think Miss Fortune is the best leader right now. I remember Coopcake saying Nami was a natural diplomat, but honestly Gangplank is a better diplomat than her. Miss Fortune knows how to deal with basically any situation that may arise with conflict, which Nami can't really do. Plus with even more commerce that MF will bring, we can just buy basically everything.

Recruit
Desmeya is a powerful sorceress who will bring more research. Even with our plus 20 buff from Nami, Marai, and Atlanteans, we still have an abysmal research stat. Also with Desmeya's knowledge of automata, we're one step closer to a robot army

Island Exploration
Like I said previously, Scheria still may be hosting a god in the form of shintai. We could exploit this and use whatever Gods' powers we find to do some advanced research stuff.

Champion pick-up system
I don't like this.

Tournament
The factions I think we should support are Piltover and Demacia. Zaun has no right to pyrishok outside their territory and Piltover found it before them. It's only fair they get.
While I don't support in interrogating prisoners or torturing them, I see nothing wrong with Noxus' keeping the prisoners. However I really don't like Noxus and Demacia is right, which is why I think we should support Demacia (even if Katarina is on our side)
Edited by Rextreff, Nov 25 2014, 06:18 PM.
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Nov 25 2014, 06:46 PM
I recommend that we build more relations with both Zaun and Noxus by supporting them in the battles, now they have allied with us before but we should reaffirm our connections after our boost in power. We also need to remind the world that we are pirates and not just angles of peace, we are ruthless cut-throats not selfless saints of mercy.

Maokai serves as the best choice for this week, with a more protection focused jungler to stop assassins. Twitch would also be a good choice for later if we get Maokai since then the hyper carry will be fully protected in teamfights.

Nami should stay in power but Gangplank should be allowed to take control if large scale conflicts begin to emerge.

If we recruit the shopkeeper then we will probably recieve easier access to league controlled artifacts. The map to the ultimate boat anyone? (it is like a normal flying boat but the size of Godzilla and even more powerful)
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