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November 23 Mega-Poll; Discuss and vote.
Topic Started: Nov 24 2014, 01:59 AM (2,507 Views)
drmigit2
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Kuronan
Nov 24 2014, 02:40 PM
drmigit2
Nov 24 2014, 02:32 PM
If this has proven anything, it's that the SI is anything BUT united in whom we should support. I am thinking that the SI should support Demacia for the lulz. Just see where that goes.
I'll tell you where that'll go... Right into our Collective Graves. Noxus is cool, Demacia can burn.
I'm hopefully going to play Quinn for Demacia. So we shall see about that. (I don't actively play any of the Noxian champs.)
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PONCHOGRANDE
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Meanwhile in Top Lane...
Allying with a friendly necromancy utilizing city state? Or siding with the city state which Lucian and Vayne both hail from.

Hmm tough choice.
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silencermage
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Im down to support noxus because they are about that spooky life also we should keep the guantlet and be all you must obey the spooky
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ChroniclerC
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Totes gonna support Demacia just to watch heads spin. xD
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CupcakeTrap
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Nov 24 2014, 08:05 PM
Totes gonna support Demacia just to watch heads spin. xD
It would definitely feed Vayne's paranoia.

http://leaguefactions.net/2014/11/21/league-petition-outcomes-nov-21/
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Rakdosis
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I've got to go for Zaun and Noxus

Have to support Zaun as my first faction and I believe they will win the match giving us the bonus for supporting the winning faction.

Second, I just really want to see Noxus win over Demacia.
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ChroniclerC
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Poll is now up on the first page, guys. Have at it.
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Kaynunot
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Kuronan Estimare, Psionic Psion of House Estimare
Uh Cupcake, just FYI it seems like for the Neritum Revote you are allowing Multiple Choice. While I AM in favor of being able to vote for both Keeping the Gauntlet (Because Shadow Isles can always use more Military Strength) along with giving it to Syndra (The Bae...) I just want to make sure this is actually what you intended.
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Nov 24 2014, 10:19 AM
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Nov 24 2014, 06:53 AM
maybe if the zaunite mining corporations didnt annexed most of the pyrikhos supplies even before the dispute started, and then blew up most of the piltovian research capacity then we could have seen what piltover could do with the pyrikhos. And no good can overshadow causing an apocalypse :)

You can't keep pinning Zaun with the Apocalypse like we knew about it... We never voted to start the Voidpocalypse. Bombing Piltover? Oh yea, we'll own that, but nearly destroying the Shurima? Not any vote we got. Now if we agreed to it, THEN you'd be reasonable, but we didn't, this was forced on us as much as everyone else.
RaptorAttacks
Nov 24 2014, 08:54 AM
Lets be reasonable: Piltover ISN'T going to give us Necrons. Zaun, however... Zaun could give us MANY NECRONS!.

Also, we gotta support Urgot's home country.

I support Noxus and Zaun, gotta be loyal to your roots, and my roots are there.
yea just because you guys dont care to properly rule in your corporations activites doesnt allow you to push the blame on others. You never should have allowed them to do that extensive mining there, and then allow malzahar near there. so dont try to shift responsibility. :)
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i myself would go for noxus and piltover. they are getting closer to each other in a way anyway :)
Edited by StormRevolver, Nov 25 2014, 01:49 AM.
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CupcakeTrap
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Nov 25 2014, 01:38 AM
Uh Cupcake, just FYI it seems like for the Neritum Revote you are allowing Multiple Choice. While I AM in favor of being able to vote for both Keeping the Gauntlet (Because Shadow Isles can always use more Military Strength) along with giving it to Syndra (The Bae...) I just want to make sure this is actually what you intended.
This is often done to avoid the Ross Perot effect. It doesn't mean Shadow Isles can actually do more than one thing, but if you're in favor of two options you can vote for both.

Otherwise, you can have this problem where, say, 60% of Summoners support either (e.g.) allying with Pinguland or remaining neutral in the conflict, while only 40% support allying with Rengarville and devouring the Pingus. If it's a three-option single-choice question, you can end up in a situation where the 60% gets split into two blocks of 30%, and they both lose to the Rengarville option, even though (e.g.) everyone who voted to ally with Pinguland would rather remain neutral than eat the Pingus.
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Kaynunot
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Nov 25 2014, 01:46 AM
yea just because you guys don't care to properly rule in your corporations activities doesn't allow you to push the blame on others. You never should have allowed them to do that extensive mining there, and then allow malzahar near there. so don't try to shift responsibility. :)
Saying that to a Zaunite is like approaching a Piltovian carefully pouring one drop of a chemical into another container and shouting "YOU SHOULDN'T EXPERIMENT WITH NATURE!" Free Enterprise-Truly Free Enterprise understands that there are certain things that must be done in the name of Progress. Zaun understands that there is inherent danger in Science and magic and we fully embrace this truth. Without doing so, we would have been absolutely crippling our advancement forward.

Just look at the differences between our Advancements, that's all you need to look at to see that. While you play with your Toy Trains, we have learned how to create stable portals between dimensions. While you fumble in ignorance of the Void's Terror, we were the ones who shut the Rift itself-WITHOUT sacrificing our mines to the So-Called Light of Demacia. Even as we speak, we continue to push the limits of Innovation, and unlike the Piltovians, Demacians and Yordles of Bandle City, WE will be the ones bringing Runeterra into a Brighter Tomorrow. And I think we can all agree, Demacia needs some Neon Lights...
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Damaster00777
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Zaun is so cool. I wanna experiment and stuffs without those pesky "morals" and "ethics". That's why I have voted to support them. Yeah, they step on little people, but it is totally for the greater good.

And neon lights, bro. Can't argue with neon lights.
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Nov 25 2014, 07:48 AM
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Nov 25 2014, 01:46 AM
yea just because you guys don't care to properly rule in your corporations activities doesn't allow you to push the blame on others. You never should have allowed them to do that extensive mining there, and then allow malzahar near there. so don't try to shift responsibility. :)
Saying that to a Zaunite is like approaching a Piltovian carefully pouring one drop of a chemical into another container and shouting "YOU SHOULDN'T EXPERIMENT WITH NATURE!" Free Enterprise-Truly Free Enterprise understands that there are certain things that must be done in the name of Progress. Zaun understands that there is inherent danger in Science and magic and we fully embrace this truth. Without doing so, we would have been absolutely crippling our advancement forward.

Just look at the differences between our Advancements, that's all you need to look at to see that. While you play with your Toy Trains, we have learned how to create stable portals between dimensions. While you fumble in ignorance of the Void's Terror, we were the ones who shut the Rift itself-WITHOUT sacrificing our mines to the So-Called Light of Demacia. Even as we speak, we continue to push the limits of Innovation, and unlike the Piltovians, Demacians and Yordles of Bandle City, WE will be the ones bringing Runeterra into a Brighter Tomorrow. And I think we can all agree, Demacia needs some Neon Lights...
and then you needed our help to stop the world from collapsing on itself, and even after that had the face to blame it on others.... all those advancements mean nothing if you destroy everything else
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StormRevolver
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Nov 25 2014, 08:55 AM
Zaun is so cool. I wanna experiment and stuffs without those pesky "morals" and "ethics". That's why I have voted to support them. Yeah, they step on little people, but it is totally for the greater good.

And neon lights, bro. Can't argue with neon lights.
after a limit it isn't about morals or ethics, its just plain safety
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silencermage
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I VOTED WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Kaynunot
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StormRevolver
Nov 25 2014, 09:53 AM
and then you needed our help to stop the world from collapsing on itself, and even after that had the face to blame it on others.... all those advancements mean nothing if you destroy everything else
Yes, because Zaunite Summoners, at any point, voted 'HEY, LET'S THREATEN THE ENTIRE FREAKING WORLD WITH SUPER DANGEROUS MINING!' If we wanted to go Evil and threaten the World, we could have gone the Void Route instead of Xerath. We could have gone with HKEM, Or Necrotek. We could have left Bandle City to die... We really get a lot more shit for the Void Rift (which, by the way, was COMPLETE RNG ON DEMACIA'S PART) than we do for what we actually did right.
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501st Big Mike
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Kuronan
Nov 24 2014, 10:19 AM
StormRevolver
Nov 24 2014, 06:53 AM
maybe if the zaunite mining corporations didnt annexed most of the pyrikhos supplies even before the dispute started, and then blew up most of the piltovian research capacity then we could have seen what piltover could do with the pyrikhos. And no good can overshadow causing an apocalypse :)

You can't keep pinning Zaun with the Apocalypse like we knew about it... We never voted to start the Voidpocalypse. Bombing Piltover? Oh yea, we'll own that, but nearly destroying the Shurima? Not any vote we got. Now if we agreed to it, THEN you'd be reasonable, but we didn't, this was forced on us as much as everyone else.
Actually we can say Zaun new about it, as they did. First off is the official stance of Demacia for the entire arc (i.e. the reason they where in the arc), from the very start of the arc, Demacia was telling everyone not to mess with the void tainted sand as experimenting with the void would cause serious consequences. Second is that if you look at the world systems, go to Zaun, and look at their secrets, it shows they are hiding the fact that Zaun knew they were risking a cosmic disaster with their actions.

That being said, I don't think SI should be making that as a negative to Zaun. SI is kinda buddies with the Void in the lore (although many SI players are trying to distance us from them), so Zaun helping cause voidpocalypse just means more dead people for us to lead into undeath.

As for who to support, it makes sense from lore perspective for SI to support Noxus and Zaun. However, in general, Valoran likes Piltover more than Zaun (player support could be very different from this) and backing them could get us brownie points. On the other hand, as we are looking to team up with bilge, many bilge players were in Zaun last arc, so backing them up helps us out there.

Overall I think SI should support Noxus and Zaun, just seems like the right move for us. However, I am personally forced to vote to support Demacia; my in-universe character couldn't really betray Galio like that or let his fellow Demacian soldiers be executed.
Edited by 501st Big Mike, Nov 25 2014, 11:12 AM.
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Damaster00777
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Nov 25 2014, 10:24 AM
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Nov 25 2014, 09:53 AM
and then you needed our help to stop the world from collapsing on itself, and even after that had the face to blame it on others.... all those advancements mean nothing if you destroy everything else
Yes, because Zaunite Summoners, at any point, voted 'HEY, LET'S THREATEN THE ENTIRE FREAKING WORLD WITH SUPER DANGEROUS MINING!' If we wanted to go Evil and threaten the World, we could have gone the Void Route instead of Xerath. We could have gone with HKEM, Or Necrotek. We could have left Bandle City to die... We really get a lot more shit for the Void Rift (which, by the way, was COMPLETE RNG ON DEMACIA'S PART) than we do for what we actually did right.
That's what Demacia gets for listening to a crazed water spirit and then taking action without consulting the League first. Even if they had no evidence, you don't just say "Our pool god says y'all are making Voidacolypse. Your stuff is now forfeit because we said so and we are right." You go to the League and ask them to take a look. And don't say time was of the essence, because it was suppose to be a tiny tear two months from then, not all-out Void invasion the next day

Also, I've always seen Demacia as more evil than Noxus. Just sayin'.
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drmigit2
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Nov 25 2014, 11:11 AM
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Nov 24 2014, 10:19 AM
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Nov 24 2014, 06:53 AM
maybe if the zaunite mining corporations didnt annexed most of the pyrikhos supplies even before the dispute started, and then blew up most of the piltovian research capacity then we could have seen what piltover could do with the pyrikhos. And no good can overshadow causing an apocalypse :)

You can't keep pinning Zaun with the Apocalypse like we knew about it... We never voted to start the Voidpocalypse. Bombing Piltover? Oh yea, we'll own that, but nearly destroying the Shurima? Not any vote we got. Now if we agreed to it, THEN you'd be reasonable, but we didn't, this was forced on us as much as everyone else.
Actually we can say Zaun new about it, as they did. First off is the official stance of Demacia for the entire arc (i.e. the reason they where in the arc), from the very start of the arc, Demacia was telling everyone not to mess with the void tainted sand as experimenting with the void would cause serious consequences. Second is that if you look at the world systems, go to Zaun, and look at their secrets, it shows they are hiding the fact that Zaun knew they were risking a cosmic disaster with their actions.

That being said, I don't think SI should be making that as a negative to Zaun. SI is kinda buddies with the Void in the lore (although many SI players are trying to distance us from them), so Zaun helping cause voidpocalypse just means more dead people for us to lead into undeath.

As for who to support, it makes sense from lore perspective for SI to support Noxus and Zaun. However, in general, Valoran likes Piltover more than Zaun (player support could be very different from this) and backing them could get us brownie points. On the other hand, as we are looking to team up with bilge, many bilge players were in Zaun last arc, so backing them up helps us out there.

Overall I think SI should support Noxus and Zaun, just seems like the right move for us. However, I am personally forced to vote to support Demacia; my in-universe character couldn't really betray Galio like that or let his fellow Demacian soldiers be executed.
If we are using our summoners, then it makes even more sense for me to vote how I did. I voted to support Piltover and Demacia, mostly because I actually own champions on both of those sides and I don't play anyone on Zaun or Noxus. That said, Kelt's fuzzy warm heart would refuse to let the Demacians just be executed. Even if he IS a lich now, he still wouldn't want to see his bestest buddy Piltover get squashed. This could also be a great opportunity to prove his mentor Karthus right, and that death isn't necessarily some cackling evil force. My goal is to get Piltover enough votes so that they can ban WW, because if Zaun gets WW, it's all over.
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