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| Topic Started: Dec 3 2014, 10:09 AM (593 Views) | |
| TerraBooma | Dec 3 2014, 10:09 AM Post #1 |
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If they're going to do THAT then I want nothing to do with them ever again. . Killing that many people... I'm never voting for those guys again. I can deal with Zaun as an ally, but I don't want to side with Noxus ever again. |
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| Vespertinity | Dec 3 2014, 10:20 AM Post #2 |
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Agreed. I think Noxus made a lot of enemies and lost a lot of allies that day... |
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| TerraBooma | Dec 3 2014, 01:21 PM Post #3 |
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Actually I just thought of something. In theory the prisoners haven't died yet. What if one of our research/espionage/something option was to break a few survivors out? If we fail we take a huge hit to something or other, but if we succeed I think Demacia would accept it as a realization of our attonement. |
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| Rextreff | Dec 3 2014, 02:59 PM Post #4 |
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Hoy, small fry
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wow I totally didn't already see we should not vote for Noxus because they're evil. Never realised that voting for them meant increasing the chance of the antagonists winning You know what they say that hindsight is 20/20 |
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| LordHippoman | Dec 3 2014, 04:44 PM Post #5 |
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I do like this idea. Jarvan and Fiora were at the trial, they'd surely be happy if we rescued her siblings. Plus those Noxian guys are clearly up to no good and could betray us if the wind changes. Let's get what we can from them and hang them out to dry before they do the same to us. |
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| XalkXolc | Dec 3 2014, 05:25 PM Post #6 |
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Guys, if you've read CCT's post about the lore update, Swain isn't actually planning on doing what he threatened. He's not stupid enough for that. Also, the Zaunites in Bilge will stop you. You've all been placed on the SpecOps unit's watchlist.
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| The Red Warden | Dec 3 2014, 05:45 PM Post #7 |
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It would not be a very good idea to tick off any of the other factions right now, since Bilgewater still needs to develop and grow more. Bilgewater currently is morally grey with more focus being on benefiting ourselves and creating alliances than getting into arguments with other factions about morality issues. Instead lets use the "grayness" to our advantage and form alliances and friendly relationships with as many other factions as posssible. For the moment it is better to keep Noxus as an ally and keep on supporting, we can decide on what to do when we are in the same arc as them. |
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| Wizard996 | Dec 3 2014, 06:00 PM Post #8 |
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Honestly, I don't think allying with Noxus was a big mistake, if it was one. Siding with Demacia would be exactly like Zaun in the last arc: do acts of good, and then get ignored for them anyways. I highly doubt that they would warm their armored little hearts up to a town they view largely as nothing more than thugs, even if Nami has been turning things around. As was said earlier, CCT HAS EDITED THE ENDING. NOXUS HASN'T ACTUALLY DONE THAT CRAP YET, IT WAS POLITICAL GRANDSTANDING AND ABOUT HUMILIATING DEMACIA WHILE CEMENTING NOXUS' POWER. I can see us pulling some strings, sure, but I don't want to risk the breakout. We have the serious risk of endangering one of very few allies we have right now, just because you're sickened by your choice. Get over some of the guilt; you knew that Noxus wasn't going to have a fair trial, and you knew they would be executed. Sure, you wouldn't think it as dark in your head, but is Demacia hacking people to death with swords, drowning innocents, or burning holes with light magic somehow better than lasers and gases? Pulling strings will net us some begrudging favor from Demacia, and will show we are not necessarily indebted purely to Noxus. I do agree that Bilgewater should not be made into a Noxian pawn (a Zaunite pawn on the other hand...jk. The commercial empire though...). I think that maybe we should only release some at most though, as empowering the Demacian military too much would be annoying for us later down the road in the likely event they turn a blind eye to our goodwill. |
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| TerraBooma | Dec 3 2014, 06:25 PM Post #9 |
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That's just the thing Wizard, I didn't vote to side with Noxus. I'm saying as a whole it was a mistake as a faction. As long as we do something, I don't mind. We really only have one power in the alliance anyway, our navy. The problem is, we're a center power (if that ) in an Alliance with two superpowers, it's going to be hard enough to say anything, let along be heard. |
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| XalkXolc | Dec 3 2014, 06:37 PM Post #10 |
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And how do you think Zaun became a superpower in the first place? Edited by XalkXolc, Dec 3 2014, 06:37 PM.
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| Sodaman64 | Dec 3 2014, 08:59 PM Post #11 |
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I don't regret siding with Noxus on this one. They were in the right in my opinion. Were the results maybe a little too extreme? Maybe but this is who we chose. Going back on a decision like that by setting Demcians free would hurt our image. We would seem like we couldn't be relied on to go commit to a decision. However next time we get the chance I think we should show Noxus that we're not some loyal dog at their beck and call. I wasn't a fan of Swain thinking we couldn't do anything to appose him. I say we bide our time building up our strength and then try to separate ourselves from Noxus and Zaun. Honestly if we got strong enough we could become a faction which encompassed the whole sea. I don't think a couple of guys with axes want to face the might of the whole ocean. |
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| Wizard996 | Dec 3 2014, 09:05 PM Post #12 |
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I completely understand your concerns Terra. I will also admit that we may not become quite the level of power that Noxus and Zaun are in the world. However, we can at least obtain footing that will give us considerable enough voice to not be a mere tool in the eyes of Noxus. Sure, their navy is fairly significant, but we own quite the considerable commercial empire, and no one can match our naval power. It is almost guaranteed that we cannot obtain the Military power that Noxus, Zaun, and Demacia hold at this moment. That is why we must play to our two main strengths: Commerce and Navy, to further our political sway. For example: Even if we come into conflict, we can literally rebuild our forces by just making another mercenary army...and that's not even counting the MASSIVE naval bombardment we could inflict on some battles before it even starts. Heck, with the swift winds and the blessings of the Marai, we could hit and run along the coast for weeks, if not months on end. Just gotta think outside the box... Of course, I'm NOT proposing a war with either Noxus or Zaun (especially since I'm a Zaunite). However, we must make the case clear that we are not merely political tools to be trifled with by Swain, however powerful an ally he may be. |
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| XalkXolc | Dec 3 2014, 09:15 PM Post #13 |
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What Soda and Wiz said. |
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