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Krocylea Part II
Topic Started: Dec 5 2014, 12:49 AM (1,819 Views)
CupcakeTrap
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Event Link: http://leaguefactions.net/nyroth-update-20-krocylea/
Poll Link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1uTnAZSNPL8tYr4JZI0InklFaP1xBIiCzNCihXYMX0-Q/viewform?usp=send_form
Results so Far: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1uTnAZSNPL8tYr4JZI0InklFaP1xBIiCzNCihXYMX0-Q/viewanalytics

Well, that got metal.


UPDATE: Additional poll posted.
Vote Link: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1BW81QhxGLrWH1cjfrlGnsNS2c_FF6M0tAGzl2hU0w-I/viewform?usp=send_form
Results so far: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1BW81QhxGLrWH1cjfrlGnsNS2c_FF6M0tAGzl2hU0w-I/viewanalytics
Edited by CupcakeTrap, Dec 5 2014, 01:33 PM.
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LordHippoman
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Dec 5 2014, 12:49 AM


We don't need to risk anything ferrying people out, we're doing fine on Favor.


If we Run:

We should blow the shit out of those Voidspawn, though.

If we Stay:

The Shadow Isles are probably our best ally right now (Despite their Aatrox summon), so I think staying and helping them would be wise.

(Plus, any plunder on Krocylea would be pretty easy to scoop up and run with. Shhhh.)

I think we should leave that up to the Croc though.
Edited by LordHippoman, Dec 5 2014, 02:05 AM.
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SuperNinjaWeasel
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Aw, I was looking forward to watching three straight hours of combat rolls by Nagg. That would be fun! ~
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Vespertinity
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I don't think we should take too many risks. We should still help, but... from a safe distance.
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Companion Prism
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Our industry project for a shiny new Warpgate finished just in time for us to recruit, maybe hire if we have to, some Zaunite allies who have actual experience dealing with and closing Void rifts. That is our best chance at fixing this mess with the least casualties.
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Wizard996
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We need to throw our full support behind the Isles here. I've already argued this 3 times, I'm not sure I feel like doing it again in this thread. But I digress: The Void is worse than the Shadow Isles. The Isles have supported multiple petitions of ours, and are the faction that we have the strongest relationship with this arc. We cannot afford to ignore their plight, and they WILL reward us for our efforts.
Also, wouldn't it be hilarious to see the Isles come out as the heroes here? That alone is hilarious enough to do it. Sure, they may have also used the destruction spell, but they didn't tear open a Void Portal like the Freljord.
The bilgeRATS who say we run are spineless curs that don't understand the threat of the void, secretly support the Void (looks at Orderly), or don't understand how powerful we can make ourselves seem here. We will get favor from the League while also showing Noxus that we are a force to be reckoned with. I mean come on, even Demacia put aside its hatred of Zaun and Noxus to fight the Void in Shurima, as did the betrayorldes of BC and the Piltovians. Do you want to be considered more inept than THEM?
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Additional poll posted.
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Vespertinity
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...Damnit, Shadow Isles...

I'd defend the Krocyleans from massacre, but if the SI 'only' want to conquer, then Krocylea is on its own.
Edited by Vespertinity, Dec 5 2014, 01:36 PM.
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The Red Warden
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Don't let the troops stay since the rage filled zombies could easily mistake them for voidlings. Do however bomb the living hell out of the space bugs
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Dec 5 2014, 01:40 PM
Don't let the troops stay since the rage filled zombies could easily mistake them for voidlings. Do however bomb the living hell out of the space bugs
I've added a new question to clarify that.
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XalkXolc
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I feel like the new poll needs other options, other than "Do nothing" and "Fight SI." I'd like to have a more nuanced choice, here.
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XalkXolc
Dec 5 2014, 01:50 PM
I feel like the new poll needs other options, other than "Do nothing" and "Fight SI." I'd like to have a more nuanced choice, here.
I mean, it might be possible to evacuate some of the Krocyleans, but that's going to be really hard with them mixed up in combat with the Shadow Isles.

It's quite possible that a "do not intervene" vote would in-universe involve a few heroic captains filling their ships with refugees before running, but if SI does decide to go on a murder-spree, the only effective way to prevent it would be to meet them in battle.

Part of what's going on here is pushing Bilgewater to further define itself from a "moral" or "political" standpoint. "Lack of Jurisdiction" was meant in part as Nami's Bilgewater coming into big-power politics and realizing just how vicious and hateful they are. Now, a second choice is being presented to Bilgewater.

Playing hero can seem really appealing. But it can be at least as dangerous as trying to rule Valoran by fear. A more "balanced" faction might have taken a middle route in the face of the Voidpocalypse in Shurima; Demacia's drive to be heroic arguably turned a merely dangerous situation into a horrific battle whose effects are still being felt.

So. How heroic does Bilgewater feel today?
Edited by CupcakeTrap, Dec 5 2014, 01:58 PM.
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XalkXolc
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We all thought it was a Cupcake, but I was a Trap! DAAAAAAMN YOU COMEDIC COINCIDEEEEEENCE!
(I see now. I've got some discussion to do before voting, I guess.)
Edited by XalkXolc, Dec 5 2014, 02:30 PM.
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Wizard996
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I feel that we should help them conquer personally, and they are likely to do so. They took Aatrox to play up their military strength, and I don't see any signs of them turning on us to seize our islands as well. I truly think that for the most part they want to finish Daeyux and Neritum without further complications, and may as well take this new island.
While I may frown a bit on killing civilians in general, and I don't condone a mass killing here, I also don't think we should defend them.
On the other hand, conquer ftw. I know we've done a lot of good without murdering the natives, but the duality of these kingdoms doesn't make me feel bad, even if one is erased, as another is there to replace it. Plus, it would make it a LOT easier to stabilize the nexus without yet another void rift.
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OrderlyAnarchist
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I've said this once already, but I'll say it hear to ensure it reaches as many ears as possible. We must not commit ourselves to this conflict.

It is my solemn belief that commiting Bilgewater's military to such a large scale conflict would be a tremendous tactical error, and set us back significantly in achieving our goals elsewhere in Nyroth. We have no way of knowing the power of the voidling hordes, and putting troops on the island could be a death sentence. I, for one, have no desire to see the blood of our people spilled in a disaster created by two bloodthirsty foreigners and the malevolent machinations of the Freljord! This isn't hunting dinosaurs. This is full scale war, against an enemy we still cannot fully comprehend. Let they on the island handle the situation as they see fit. We will anchor our ships in the harbour and support any possible evacuation efforts, but we shouldn't dare to take part in such a dangerous conflict when the invasion is already confined by the boundaries of the island.

I beseech any summoner who truly has the best interests of Bilgewater at heart to stand out of the way of these malefic forces. This is not Shurima; this is not our conflict. We should not involve ourselves, in any way.
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TerraBooma
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Before we vote guys, we need to talk to SI on this.


I'd be happy to let them conquer, but not massacre. We need to let them know how the faction feels (Obv. oppinions differ through the faction.)
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Wizard996
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Dec 5 2014, 03:14 PM
I've said this once already, but I'll say it hear to ensure it reaches as many ears as possible. We must not commit ourselves to this conflict.

It is my solemn belief that commiting Bilgewater's military to such a large scale conflict would be a tremendous tactical error, and set us back significantly in achieving our goals elsewhere in Nyroth. We have no way of knowing the power of the voidling hordes, and putting troops on the island could be a death sentence. I, for one, have no desire to see the blood of our people spilled in a disaster created by two bloodthirsty foreigners and the malevolent machinations of the Freljord! This isn't hunting dinosaurs. This is full scale war, against an enemy we still cannot fully comprehend. Let they on the island handle the situation as they see fit. We will anchor our ships in the harbour and support any possible evacuation efforts, but we shouldn't dare to take part in such a dangerous conflict when the invasion is already confined by the boundaries of the island.

I beseech any summoner who truly has the best interests of Bilgewater at heart to stand out of the way of these malefic forces. This is not Shurima; this is not our conflict. We should not involve ourselves, in any way.
This was also posted on the thread in General Discussion, and has been refuted by me there. To summarize:
SI strength is 180, so is Voids. We do NOT have troops on ground other than Renek I believe, but we DO have a Navy that can bombard rather well.
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Vespertinity
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Dec 5 2014, 03:14 PM
Before we vote guys, we need to talk to SI on this.


I'd be happy to let them conquer, but not massacre. We need to let them know how the faction feels (Obv. oppinions differ through the faction.)
Well then, just vote for "I would help them conquer, but not massacre". I don't see why we need to talk to them.
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Blackrose02
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It seems to me that if we help, then we should bomb the living crap out of the void, and if we run, then we should try to save as many Nyrothians as we can. I am definitely not helping the SI after this, not when they decided to use forbidden spells. So, after this, assuming we all survive, I say stop the SI from massacring the civilians, but if they decide to conquer, then let them. They won jurisdiction over this island, now let them make their own decisions to a degree.
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Wizard996
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Dec 5 2014, 03:55 PM
TerraBooma
Dec 5 2014, 03:14 PM
Before we vote guys, we need to talk to SI on this.


I'd be happy to let them conquer, but not massacre. We need to let them know how the faction feels (Obv. oppinions differ through the faction.)
Well then, just vote for "I would help them conquer, but not massacre". I don't see why we need to talk to them.
I also vote for aid conquer but not massacre. However, it appears that many Bilgians are against this in general for whatever reason. For the first part, the Isles were offended that we didn't back them, and they are partially right to be angry. Like I've said before, I think it's just a lot of people associating siding with Noxus and siding with Isles, and don't want to be responsible.
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