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| Topic Started: Dec 6 2014, 03:16 AM (2,231 Views) | |
| StormRevolver | Dec 6 2014, 03:16 AM Post #1 |
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Congratulations for our summoners to turn us into the enemy of everyone. GJ! What did u guys expect sending in morde and atrox? We might as well just stay on the warpath and fight everyone on nyroth...
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| Kaynunot | Dec 6 2014, 07:05 AM Post #2 |
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We were trying to not become an enemy of Bilgewater and were talking with them to have them change their votes to NOT Bombard us, but since the Staff absolutely hates the idea of REMAKING VOTES IN THE CASES OF RAZOR-THIN TIES (although for some reason they just love less-than-24-hour-polls) an invisible Ninja Vote apparently changed Bilgewater from 'We'll stay out of the way' to 'We'll stay out of the way so we can bomb you safely' I think this is it though, if CupcakeTrap can't be convinced to remake the poll this is the point where we tell Bilgewater 'Well fuck you guys too, we'll join Noxus if it comes between you two.' Edited by Kaynunot, Dec 6 2014, 07:06 AM.
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| StormRevolver | Dec 6 2014, 07:10 AM Post #3 |
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the funny thing is you see nothing wrong with the choices we made, and you advocated. On another note. if we win this can we take stormhaven? might as well go the end boss route.
Edited by StormRevolver, Dec 6 2014, 07:12 AM.
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| Kaynunot | Dec 6 2014, 07:12 AM Post #4 |
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The choices are 'A Life of Indentured Servitude for all of the Krocyleans that we can't use anyway' verses 'Freeing them from the Mortal Coils and making use of them' I don't know why you think Shadow Isles are, but we don't force people through agonizing hell for five days, we kill them quickly and free them from what would otherwise be a life of suffering and agony, I call that a Mercy Kill. |
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| StormRevolver | Dec 6 2014, 07:13 AM Post #5 |
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maybe we shouldnt have sent morde as a leader and get atrox? i said that much, and it costed us the bilge support from the get go. |
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| Kaynunot | Dec 6 2014, 07:16 AM Post #6 |
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Our choices were send Aatrox and Mordekaiser to kill as many as possible to get help for Neritum and Daeyux, and capitalize on our exceptionally high Military Score, or suck balls and wait until the end of the arc while capitalizing on nothing. I'd prefer the Military Victory thanks. |
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| StormRevolver | Dec 6 2014, 07:19 AM Post #7 |
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we had enough military for those 2 islands i had told u guys many times we had enough military to do epic military objectives without problem. But why the hell do i have to repeat myself time and time again. U guys dont care, just wants reasons to fight because cant play on the fields. |
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| Kaynunot | Dec 6 2014, 08:13 AM Post #8 |
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In case you forgot, we got absolutely DECIMATED at Daeyux, and chances are the situation there has only Worsened (why? Because the Militaries have become Retroactive to the military strength of the faction seeking to kill them. Chances are good we'll be fighting a Military of 80 there, not to mention we have no clue what's up with Neritum) We need as much of a Military as we can get, and perhaps even for the Arcs After (assuming anyone ever picks Shadow Isles ever again) and Enslavement or Working Together with Mortals ALWAYS works to our Detriment unless it's not an NPC Faction and WANTS to help us (Neritum comes to mind) Edited by Kaynunot, Dec 6 2014, 08:14 AM.
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| StormRevolver | Dec 6 2014, 08:45 AM Post #9 |
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Nope this is stupid. CCT explicitly said that the damage sticked to them. so it will be easy to beat them. And you are just spouting nonsense. And we dont need as much military as we can get. we need research, and other stuff, and maybe favor too. But go delude yourself that we cant work with anyone because YOU cant work with anyone and want to force everything with military. We had a lot of chance to work together with living nyrothians and im pretty sure they would have been a lot more dependable than we, or other summoner factions are. |
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| Kaynunot | Dec 6 2014, 08:59 AM Post #10 |
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There are no options to increase Research or Espionage though, Favor gets us nothing in lore updates aside from some people flavor text praising us, and Commerce as a stat is less useful than Industry or Military. From a cold logic standpoint, our actually viable options are grabbing Industry and grabbing Military, which go hand-in-hand for our scores and general strengths. And I WANTED to work with Bilgewater and Ionia, but now they are fighting us (might I note that Bilgewater also tried changing their votes, but Invisible Votes ended up making them fight us?) and it's been said time and time again we don't get a whole lot for working with Nyrothians (In Daeyux even if we succeeded the Liches would have short-changed us, don't remember what was up with Neritum though) |
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| CupcakeTrap | Dec 6 2014, 09:10 AM Post #11 |
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That's correct. This SI would barely even notice Daeyux. |
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| demonsnake420 | Dec 6 2014, 10:11 AM Post #12 |
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Ok, so first off posting something like this thread is immature and radiating pure salt. I get you disagree with the decision of your faction (you've voiced this numerous times and constantly), but dedicating an entire fourm thread to be salty about our current straits and provoking the other summoner's in your own faction is both dumb and childish. Now, lets address your point that "See I told you so, going with Morde and Aatrox was a bad idea". Firstly, what choice did we have? Your argument seems to be just "well our military was ok enough, we didn't really need it". Military and Industry our are only good stats (And our industry pretty much exists solely to help rebuild and maintain our military) so why would we, especially near the very end of the arc as we sit in last place, not take a risk and double down on our greatest strength in an attempt to gain something before everything is said and done? The argument of "its already good enough" is frankly a stupid one. We are in last. Rolls and the other factions have fucked us before. So why would we take an unnecessary risk in not doubling down on our one strength? Military might is our only hope to get any gains out of this arc and to help ensure we gained at least something we needed Aatrox and Mordekaiser; that is not an opinion, that is a fact of the situation we found ourselves in. Next, as has been stated before, our other stats really suck and we haven't had much in the way of opportunities to improve them (besides from a strategic standpoint it would make more sense to focus and push your strengths rather than to shore up your weaknesses to average/mediocre). Going down the Aatrox route did cost us all of our favor. But who cares? Champion acquisitions are no longer decided through favor and petitions, and we never had good favor to begin with anyways; thus pursuing favor would be pointless and often counter productive. Furthermore, from a flavor/lore standpoint, we shouldn't care about favor; WE ARE THE SHADOW ISLES, THE REALM OF DARK MAGIC AND THE RESTLESS DEAD. All of Valoran and the IoW hate us already so why bother with favor? The Isles likely don't care what Valoran thinks of them so long as they respect and fear the power of the dead. And what better way to show the power of the isles than through raw military strength? Then about your points of "we shouldn't be fighting the other factions for the sake of fighting them"; that is also untrue. At the beginning of this particular event we were in a very strong position of power, and the Freljord and Ionia were really weak. Then, with the Freljord unleashing the Void, it gave us an even better opportunity to flex our muscle and crush all of them so that we actually gain territory, souls, and power (3 things which the Shadow Isles would always be interested in, and our method to acquire them would be the most appropriate way flavor wise for the Shadow Isles to acquire them). We are fighting them to make some type of gains. Its true though that we didn't want to fight Bilgewater but they made their choice and we had to follow through on ours. It sucks, but thats how its gone down and we just have to deal with it. What you are basically doing is being salty in the fact that we didn't just sit and accept being last; we actually tried to do something and in the way which for the Shadow Isles makes the most sense regardless if you like that fact or not. However, the most important part is that WHAT'S DONE IS DONE. We must move on and look how to come out of this the best we can. Being salty, arguing, and spreading general discontent within the faction will not help; that is in fact being the exact opposite, its being counter productive. |
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| StormRevolver | Dec 6 2014, 10:13 AM Post #13 |
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because CCT couldnt stress it enough how helpuff it would be for us to have living guys working for us.... And ofc the invisible votes change things! you cant just talk with your fellow zaunites and then expect to everything work out. Sending morde and summoning atrox is a "psycho" choice, and you can see what happened. |
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| silencermage | Dec 6 2014, 10:15 AM Post #14 |
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demonsnake420 I agree with you and appreciate your post =D
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| ChroniclerC | Dec 6 2014, 10:21 AM Post #15 |
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Quite frankly, I'm flattered. Despite being in last place, we are apparently enough of a threat for EVERYONE to gang up on us. If "being the bad guys" wasn't the exact reason we grabbed Aatrox, then I'm confused. |
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| StormRevolver | Dec 6 2014, 10:23 AM Post #16 |
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we had lot of options, and again and again i said how we could change things and again and again everyone has gone for military boxing us more and more in. See there is this we are the shadow isles all of valoran and IoW hate us. well they didnt. we made them hate us, as you can see, Because you guys wanted "lore impact" instead of trying to win matches. And is this thread childish? maybe. but i think so is trying to do everything just to "win", instead of actualy trying to do matches and trying to climb the bop to actualy win. |
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| CupcakeTrap | Dec 6 2014, 10:31 AM Post #17 |
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Like I said, the Shadow Isles seems to have determined on an exciting new career as the final boss of this arc. YOUR JOURNEY ENDS HERE, HERO! Edited by CupcakeTrap, Dec 6 2014, 10:31 AM.
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| StormRevolver | Dec 6 2014, 10:35 AM Post #18 |
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somethings wrong with the link as a side note: i guess its time to note, that if i wasnt trying to influence things the way my summoner would, i would ask you if we could siege stormhaven after this
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| demonsnake420 | Dec 6 2014, 10:36 AM Post #19 |
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Trying to come out as best you can out of a shitty situation is what any sensible person, and especially nation, would do. I joined half way through this arc, but I'm under the impression that we had it bad since the get go. Does it suck that we haven't done well on the field? Of course it does; I would have loved it if we could have. BUT IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. So then, if we wanna gain something and salvage anything out of a shitty situation, why again would we not go down the route we chose? If any other faction was in our shoes they too would've grabbed Aatrox. We have discussed ad nossium about how military and industry our only good stats (as well as, again, that we didn't have many opportunities to improve our other stats) so again I ask why would we not double down on them? Especially when we are losing on the fields; that just further shows that our faction has but one strength. If you have specific examples of how else we could have handled this and/or other avenues we could have pursued, then by all means tell us. Cause when you say that we did I have honestly no fucking clue what you are talking about. And why are you complaining about many of us pushing for a lore impact when, last I checked, factions was a COMMUNITY AND LEAGUE META GAME BUILT AROUND THE LORE. THATS LIKE GOING TO A BOOK CLUB AND COMPLAINING ABOUT PEOPLE PUSHING FOR YOU TO READ SOMETHING. IT MAKES NO SENSE. However, once again, it doesn't matter anymore does it? What is done, is done. We must move on and again try to salvage what we can and get whatever gains we can (cause that is the most sensible route). . |
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| demonsnake420 | Dec 6 2014, 10:37 AM Post #20 |
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THIS. YES WE SHOULD DO THIS. IT IS WHAT WOULD MAKE SENSE. FINALLY, WE CAN MOVE ON AND TRY TO GAIN SOMETHING. LIKE THE SHADOW ISLES WOULD DO. |
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