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Nyroth Interactive Lore Event III
Topic Started: Dec 8 2014, 04:56 AM (2,887 Views)
LordHippoman
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Champions: I like Lulu and Viktor. We could use another support and a solid mid laner. I'm a big Viktor fan (gameplay-wise) as well, so bias is here.

Research: Personally I like the Marai idea. It seems the most conductive to Bilge as a whole.

Industry: The Lunari temple would be a good idea. It might piss off the Solari and hurt potential relations with the Rakkor, but if they're going to be bigots about it I say we don't want them anyway.

Commerce: Buy those prisoners. Demacia is a huge power, and having an ace in the hole in our negotiations with them is way more useful than more Favor, which we are overflowing with right now.

Espionage: Counter. We're in first, people are going to be gunning for us.

Petitions: I think Match Strength is a solid idea here. We're doing well on stats, just having better chances at winning on the playing fields ought to boost us up.

Sanctions: Abstain. Not going to burn any more bridges after the whole Aatrox thing went down.

Krocylea: Huh. What's left of it? Mostly just a barren wasteland crawling with Void creature parts and dead zombie crabs. I think we could give it to Ionia to solidify a relationship with them, and because they didn't horrifically blow the hell out of it like SI and Freljord. Doesn't seem worth keeping, either.
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The main things I particularly care about here are:

  • Buy back demacian prisoners (I seriously just wanted to stay out of it originally, I don't like either Demacia or Noxus, but I'd rather stay neutral than gain ones favor and lose another, especially with how much Demacia controls the sea commerce market)
  • Break our alliance with SI (I know that a lot of people still want to stay with them, but I really don't want to join their "kill everything approach", additionally, we want to stay consistent so it looks like we know what we're doing, this means we can't ally with SI, or Freljord because we've been very vocal about being against their use of rune wars magic)
  • Give the Island to Ionia (I know this sounds somewhat like a stupid idea, but I think this is probably the best option. We don't want to give it to SI or Freljord because of how much of a part they had in destroying it, we don't want to keep it for ourselves as all that would accomplish is to piss off the other factions, and we don't want to give to the league, as that makes it look like we're playing teachers pet to them, and gains us nothing in the long run. However giving it to Ionia is no loss to us, we probably would have had to sink time into humanitarian aid if we kept it, we know Ionia won't profit from it, and this will take us a huge leap towards allying with them. There's nothing that says "we used to hate each other, but now lets be friends" more than handing another faction an entire island, one of the most valuable commodities. Last of all, Ionia is too far behind to make good use of it towards winning)


I think we should mostly either stay out of arguing for sanctions, or go all in like we hate freljord and SI. If we sanction one though, we should sanction the other.

I don't really care much past that, other than that I also agree that we shouldn't work with noxus at all, and Zaun a minimal amount. I'd be willing to work with piltover potentially, but I'm not so hot on that idea either.
Edited by Baxter900, Dec 8 2014, 03:15 PM.
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Licantus
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Dec 8 2014, 01:17 PM
If a condemnation succeeds they lose an island along with the no protection thing. I'm still saying to go for it because Freljord isn't our friend, won't be our friend, and probably will never be our friend.

So if we don't give it to them, they will have no islands should we condemn and succeed.
Ok, but it's stupid to condemn them for what they have done on Krocylea, and then give them the island. :huh:
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Wizard996
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Secondary: Lulu. We NEED another support besides Nami. Although Nami has been doing fine, we seriously need another option.

Tertiary: Viktor. He shall lead us down the most righteous path of the Glorious Evolution, and is a mage that a few more people can play (cough, like me. I like TF but I'm bad, and don't own Kat).

Research: Fae Realms. The Marai do NOT represent the largest majority of the population, and I think that this is BILGEWATER, not MARAI REPUBLIC. Seriously, we would be leaning too much towards Demacia with stuff like that. Plus, since we're all in agreement on Lulu, might as well make her happier. And let's see the pixie intoxication as well as alcohol. For giggles. But most importantly is it's DIFFERENT FROM ET THAT ZAUN HAD. WHAT?!? As a Zaunite, I need to learn about this.

Industry: Lunari Church. As previously stated, we need to dabble in something other than Marai, and the lore points for creating another moon cult would be awesome. Plus, I just bought Diana and love her (not good with her as I would like to be, but learning).

Commerce: Buy prisoners. It would make Swain a little annoyed possibly, but this fixes our relation a little with Demacia, and helps us remain neutral in light of supporting Noxus (I still do like Noxus, but becoming their pawn is something else). Also, research, as always, and let's replace those few mercs we lost. We certainly have enough money to blow.

Espionage: Counter. Always has worked, and let's keep it that way. If not, hindering Freljord would be nice, but I think most people even here would be opposed to kicking them while they're down a bit. Or getting research. Sabotage is far out.

Petitions: Macro. We have a dominant presence on the Fields, let's become more notable off them in the long term.

Sanctions: Abstain in case of Isles, possibly condemn Freljord. Ionia will defend them, but I really dislike the Freljord as long as Lissandra isn't wisely leading it.

Krocylea: No point taking it for ourselves, bit too greedy atm. I think giving it to Ionia is the wisest choice, or giving it to the League. I refuse to give it to the Freljord because they screwed it up soooo bad. Giving it to the Isles would certainly be amusing, akin to giving them a blasted piece of wasteland, although I know no one else would support that.
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Licantus
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NOW WE CAN GET MUNDO AS A TERTIARY!!!

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Because you know, Mundo go where he pleases B-)
Edited by Licantus, Dec 8 2014, 04:04 PM.
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All right, here's my opinion on our choices.

Secondary: I would have to say Lulu, to increase our range of support.

Tertiary: Eh, I don't really play any of these, soooo, let's go with Viktor so that he can improve the Glorious Evolution.

Research: Either Fae Realms or New Marai Republic is fine with me.

Industry: Moon Cult, HOOOOO! Besides, the moon has a noticeable effect on the tides on out world, so maybe the Runeterran moon has a similar effect? If so, then as a sea-faring nation, getting on the good side of a moon cult with actual powers seems like a good idea.

Commerce: Hire mercenaries, speed up the labs, and buy back some prisoners. The last one I'm choosing both because of the Industry boost, and to make sure Demacia doesn't decide to try and smite us.

Espionage: We should continue working on defense.

Petitions: Macro-Benefits for us. We're good, but we can be even better on the world stage.

Sanctions: Condemn both of them. Both sides decided to use Rune War spells, knowing the risk. The Frejliord started a local void-pocalypse and the SI decided to start a zombie apocalypse. I have no sympathy for either.

Krocylea: Eh, I say either keep it ourselves or give it to the League.
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Dec 8 2014, 03:29 PM
Research: Fae Realms. The Marai do NOT represent the largest majority of the population, and I think that this is BILGEWATER, not MARAI REPUBLIC. Seriously, we would be leaning too much towards Demacia with stuff like that.
This would not turn Bilgewater into the New Marai Republic. Rather, it's an effort to rebuild the Marai civilisation, which would continue to be represented before the League through Bilgewater.
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Wizard996
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Dec 8 2014, 04:03 PM
Wizard996
Dec 8 2014, 03:29 PM
Research: Fae Realms. The Marai do NOT represent the largest majority of the population, and I think that this is BILGEWATER, not MARAI REPUBLIC. Seriously, we would be leaning too much towards Demacia with stuff like that.
This would not turn Bilgewater into the New Marai Republic. Rather, it's an effort to rebuild the Marai civilisation, which would continue to be represented before the League through Bilgewater.
Dude, we gave them a Moonstone, I think they'll be set for a while in their original city. Honestly, I don't think it's as much of a 'rebuilding' than a mass migration to the surface area. And although I am happy to let them be represented through Bilgewater, I fail to see why we should devote our every resource solely to them pretty much.
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Naggarok
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Dec 8 2014, 04:08 PM
Dude, we gave them a Moonstone, I think they'll be set for a while in their original city. Honestly, I don't think it's as much of a 'rebuilding' than a mass migration to the surface area. And although I am happy to let them be represented through Bilgewater, I fail to see why we should devote our every resource solely to them pretty much.
Summoner Shepard, Commander of the B.M.S. Kaladoun, spoke how investing time into the Marai would enable "banging" with them. These were his final words before leaving to go to Yoroth to deal with the "Sleepers."

Scholars are still trying to decipher his words
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Vespertinity
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Wizard996
Dec 8 2014, 04:08 PM
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Dec 8 2014, 04:03 PM
Wizard996
Dec 8 2014, 03:29 PM
Research: Fae Realms. The Marai do NOT represent the largest majority of the population, and I think that this is BILGEWATER, not MARAI REPUBLIC. Seriously, we would be leaning too much towards Demacia with stuff like that.
This would not turn Bilgewater into the New Marai Republic. Rather, it's an effort to rebuild the Marai civilisation, which would continue to be represented before the League through Bilgewater.
Dude, we gave them a Moonstone, I think they'll be set for a while in their original city. Honestly, I don't think it's as much of a 'rebuilding' than a mass migration to the surface area. And although I am happy to let them be represented through Bilgewater, I fail to see why we should devote our every resource solely to them pretty much.
We're not, though. Our last two research projects were the Atlanteans and the Forges of Avalon, and I don't believe we've devoted any of our industry to them.

I like the sound of the Fae Realms and it gets my consent vote, but helping the Marai rebuild and expand is a much bigger priority for me. I think it'll be more beneficial in the long run.
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Eh, I agree with the Murai republic. I don't see much of a bonus to Fae glades, especially when you remember that Lulu is core for BC, if we're in an arc with them, I think they get her instantly. Might be risky to try and improve relations. I just like the murai.


It's more of a reclaiming of their land (Ocean?) then them coming up above the water. (As far asw I know, clarifications would be nice)
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Jpdaniel
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Naggarok
Dec 8 2014, 04:17 PM
Wizard996
Dec 8 2014, 04:08 PM
Dude, we gave them a Moonstone, I think they'll be set for a while in their original city. Honestly, I don't think it's as much of a 'rebuilding' than a mass migration to the surface area. And although I am happy to let them be represented through Bilgewater, I fail to see why we should devote our every resource solely to them pretty much.
Summoner Shepard, Commander of the B.M.S. Kaladoun, spoke how investing time into the Marai would enable "banging" with them. These were his final words before leaving to go to Yoroth to deal with the "Sleepers."

Scholars are still trying to decipher his words
Whatever it is, it's making me think a little more favorable towards this.

((Would that make... What? 3/4ths humans? Scaly humans with legs?))
Edited by Jpdaniel, Dec 8 2014, 04:38 PM.
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Whatever happened to flying boats?
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Dec 8 2014, 03:15 PM
Ionia is too far behind to make good use of it towards winning
I'm a little wary of this. I know staff spent time on preventive measures for this, but in Hextech Revolution, Demacia came within single digits of winning because of one tournament after Zaun had dominated the whole arc. I'd prefer to not have that again.
Edited by XalkXolc, Dec 8 2014, 05:22 PM.
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Secondary: I think it's safe to say that lulu is our best option. Everyone else has said the reasons why, I don't want to restate them. That said, I also want to raise Talon as an idea. He's an immensely underrated assassin since his nerfs. His damage is still the fastest among assassins and also one of the highest. It's also AOE, which fits well with our comp. An E-W-Q-Hydra-Ult will destroy ANY target that doesn't have around 300 armor and 3,000 health, and instantly kill any squishy.

Tertiary: Viktor, I guess? Twitch barely does anything for the comp and we already have a tank in Nautilus and a hypertank in Maokai.

Research: Reformist Bounties, I guess? I DON'T LIKE ANY OF THESE.

Industry: Lunari church, I guess?

Commerce: Buy Demacian Prisoners is the only option I like here too. Everything else is useless for us right now.

Espionage: Counter. Duh.

Petitions: Match Strength would be so good for the tourney.

Sanctions: Just go ham on both. The shield mechanic is dumb.

Krocylea: Why would we every dive the island away? Free island.
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Dec 8 2014, 05:21 PM
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Dec 8 2014, 03:15 PM
Ionia is too far behind to make good use of it towards winning
I'm a little wary of this. I know staff spent time on preventive measures for this, but in Hextech Revolution, Demacia came within single digits of winning because of one tournament after Zaun had dominated the whole arc. I'd prefer to not have that again.
True, but I'd really rather have Ionia as friends than as enemies if possible. They were aggressive from the start, but because of how few summoners they have, they tend to be fairly consistent in their voting, meaning if they have a grudge, they hold it, if they like someone, they'll support them pretty strongly. They also fill out our capabilities pretty well, we have military and commerce, they have research, meaning an alliance is mutually beneficial, not just helping them.

Regardless, it's still a risk, but I feel we have a much better chance at gaining a lot than losing a lot. If Ionia wins because we gave them the island, and we've managed to keep friends with them, I think we could still come out with a lot of power, guilting people by saying "We're your friends and your only winning because we helped you when you sucked" is not to be underestimated, both on small scale, and large scale. If you look at the people aspect, some people do still feel guilt on the internet, if you look at the in lore nation aspect, you want to appear to reward people for helping you, punishing or ignoring people who help you means no one allies with you, and whenever someone might, the people you betrayed make a big deal of it. Instead, you want to reward people generously for helping you, essentially saying, "You should help us, because look at how successful Bilgewater is with our help, and look at how much money we're giving them. Obviously we'd much rather be the ones in the power position, but I think the chance of losing that power position is small enough that, when you include the power we'd still get if Ionia won, it's worth the risk.\


Anyway, just my thoughts, I'd like to hear yours!

EDIT: I made a thread asking the other factions to make arguments about why they should have the island, this way we hear their arguments (I also really want to see the BS that Shadow Isles comes up with)
Edited by Baxter900, Dec 8 2014, 08:16 PM.
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I really wanna dump it on Ionia. More invaded and ruined property! I mean, what the hell are we going to do with it? It's a bit of a burden really trying to get everything up and running and even then I'm not even sure what there's supposedto BE here for us.
Edited by Jpdaniel, Dec 8 2014, 08:18 PM.
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Dec 8 2014, 08:18 PM
I really wanna dump it on Ionia. More invaded and ruined property! I mean, what the hell are we going to do with it? It's a bit of a burden really trying to get everything up and running and even then I'm not even sure what there's supposedto BE here for us.
Haha, especially since in the post, Ionia pretty much says, "we don't want it, give it to the league" so far.

We can go, "As a gesture of kindness, we give Ionia the island" and just piss them off.
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Baxter900
Dec 8 2014, 08:24 PM
Jpdaniel
Dec 8 2014, 08:18 PM
I really wanna dump it on Ionia. More invaded and ruined property! I mean, what the hell are we going to do with it? It's a bit of a burden really trying to get everything up and running and even then I'm not even sure what there's supposedto BE here for us.
Haha, especially since in the post, Ionia pretty much says, "we don't want it, give it to the league" so far.

We can go, "As a gesture of kindness, we give Ionia the island" and just piss them off.
Best part is, it isn't actual aggression, we can pass it off as the "Silent majority," say it was in fairness anyways and congratulate them, and they can't hold it against us and we get to laugh behind their backs.
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Dec 8 2014, 08:26 PM
Baxter900
Dec 8 2014, 08:24 PM
Jpdaniel
Dec 8 2014, 08:18 PM
I really wanna dump it on Ionia. More invaded and ruined property! I mean, what the hell are we going to do with it? It's a bit of a burden really trying to get everything up and running and even then I'm not even sure what there's supposedto BE here for us.
Haha, especially since in the post, Ionia pretty much says, "we don't want it, give it to the league" so far.

We can go, "As a gesture of kindness, we give Ionia the island" and just piss them off.
Best part is, it isn't actual aggression, we can pass it off as the "Silent majority," say it was in fairness anyways and congratulate them, and they can't hold it against us and we get to laugh behind their backs.
^_^

I don't even know what to call it, it's not even passive aggressive, it's more like benevolently aggressive.
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