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| Topic Started: Dec 8 2014, 04:56 AM (2,885 Views) | |
| CreedKeeper | Dec 8 2014, 08:46 PM Post #41 |
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That's the best idea I've heard. There is no point keeping it, and if a little benevolent aggression will get us ahead, then by all means, force them to take the present they don't want to put them in our debt. Where can we vote? Edited by CreedKeeper, Dec 8 2014, 08:47 PM.
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| Wizard996 | Dec 8 2014, 09:50 PM Post #42 |
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Amazing, the level of reverse psychology is astounding. While I don't mind giving to Ionia, keep in mind that very few of them will outright refuse it. The whole idea of this is coming off a bit as a 'Look, we can make the decision. Grovel before us, and whoever does the best wins! (unless youre the Isles, f*** them).' Ionia is not playing aggressively here; they simply can't. They want to fix the relationship a bit, and begging for the island won't help. They can't defeat us on the Fields or off them, and odds are they are potentially being passive-aggressive. Now, IMPORTANT: Would we actually consider giving the Isles the island if they make their case well enough? Sure, there are mixed responses (Give it to us or we'll destroy you! We were simply going to give them the gift of undeath, and elevate them to our status (which is remarkably in character, kudos to them). You'll all die, and want us on your side when you do...etc), but the important thing here is, would we actually give it to them? I LOVE the points Silencermage is making honestly. Sure, I can also see that they DID cast the same magics the League was made to prevent, and not opening the Void Rift like Freljord doesn't mean that they're less guilty, but he is doing his best to make a convincing argument even though he knows the Isles are extremely unlikely to receive it. Don't get me wrong: having the factions make their case is wonderful, but judging by the comments in this private forum, I think that you two: Baxter and JP, are drunk on power and want to see them plead their cases when you've already decided. ChroniclerC hit it dead on when he said in response to Baxter:
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| Baxter900 | Dec 8 2014, 10:23 PM Post #43 |
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That was mostly me attempting to antagonize them in order to get a good argument going ^_^; It is what I personally believe in this case, but a few of them (Silencer Mage and Big Mike) have made very good points, the problem is that they are a few in the swarm of people who will respond like CCT did. |
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| Wizard996 | Dec 8 2014, 10:27 PM Post #44 |
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I definitely agree that many are going to respond like CCT (he gets into character very much though. I applaud him a bit on his RPing there). Also, to whoever asked, wherever it was (I'm going to bed after this post, don't judge), on when voting would be: http://leaguefactions.net/2014/12/08/nyroth-lore-event-iii-posted/ "(options will be finalized, and voting activated, Monday night)" edit: Ah, was Rhistca, or however you spell it...NOW to bed Edited by Wizard996, Dec 8 2014, 10:27 PM.
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| CreedKeeper | Dec 8 2014, 10:28 PM Post #45 |
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I've enjoyed hearing them actually argue for why they should get the islands- before that post I was mostly not caring, slightly leaning toward ionia, but mainly anyone other than ourselves or Frel. Since reading it, I think it might actually be better to consider giving it to one of the people actually fighting over it. Honestly there are no bad options here. If we keep it, we can do the Maokai thing or whatever. Giving it to the league would curry a little favor we don't really need and make the most sense for staying out of the mess. Frel really fucked up on the island, so leaving it to them would be forcing them to take responsibility and clean up their own mess. Ionia getting it would be extending an oily olive branch we picked up off the dirt in front of them: no cost to us, no real gain to them, but some good PR and making them slightly less likely to ally with our biggest rival for this campaign. SI getting it would be moving the plot full circle and telling the world we trust them to not continue what we just bombed them for the second we turn our backs and repair our relationship with them when they don't expect it, for whatever that is worth. |
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| Baxter900 | Dec 8 2014, 10:39 PM Post #46 |
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I'm still personally for Ionia, I mean, it's a chance to give away the island in a way that helps us more than hurts us, and annoys another faction while gaining us favor with the league (who likes Ionia and saw them being the most heroic towards defending the people). I really see very little reason not to hand it off to Ionia. |
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| sevenfivezero | Dec 8 2014, 11:40 PM Post #47 |
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Secondary Champion:Lulu is a choice I agree with here. Another option for a support pick never hurts. Tertiary Champion:Not as much personal preference here, but I agree with the other arguments posted for Viktor. Research:If we're going for the True Neutral/"Wardens of the Sea" path here(a path I agree with), then we're left with Fae Realm and New Marai Republic. That being said, I don't think Letters of Marque would be a terrible choice. It certainly is the pirate option, and is definitely something to consider if we want to persue a closer relationship with Zaun. Industry:The moon temple is an all-round safe choice that holds promise, but we're in a strong position militarily compared to the other active factions. We should bolster our military to maintain our leading position. If we spend our pirate booty on more mercenaries then we can commit Industry to the moon temple. Commerce:We don't need any more favour. I'm of the opinion that Bilgewater should try to remain as neutral as possible when it comes to Demacia and Noxus. There's nothing for us to gain down those roads. Buying the prisoners would save face somewhat when it comes to Demacia, without affecting our standing with Noxus. The additional industry doesn't hurt either. Buying mercenaries is also an option I support. Espionage:Counter-espionage. We're going to be the ones getting spied on. Petitions:Macro Benefits Krocylea:Keeping it, giving it to Ionia and handing it off to the League are all viable options here. I see two questions to ask ourselves: One, do we want to devote resources to defending and/or developing this island? If yes, then we should make use of it ourselves. If not, then we ask another question: Do we want to repair the(supposed) broken relationship with Ionia? If we do, we could give it to them as a diplomatic gesture. If not, then I say we simply let the League deal with this mess Freljord and SI caused. |
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| Jpdaniel | Dec 9 2014, 06:09 AM Post #48 |
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The problem with Chronicler's arguments is A: He's acting like Aatrox didn't happen, B: There never had to be a war. There was very clearly an option to just try to fix the nexus. The freljord was going with it until they saw SI was attacking and shifted to actually starting a war because... Idunno, freljord's a bit idiotic. But SI COULD have done the same instead of killing the kingdom, averting this whole thing. They act like they HAD to fight that war on the offensive. No. I would not consider giving the Shadow Isles this place. The soul mumbo jumbo silencer spewed was just... no. There are things you can't do dead or undead. Like have a pulse. Or be accepted in polite society. And messing with death is dangerous, the league itself admits that. ((Despite it being remarkably well in-character. I always have one problem with necromancy in any world: If it really is consequenceless and as simple as that, why the hell isn't everyone a ghoul? The only souls we've ever seen are in pain or looking for answers or tormented. The one who aren't pass on. And even the tormented ones are barely wisps. Kalista is the only exception but she's a collection of souls around a central one. Sooooo...... what IS the price or catch to necromancy? Because right now SI can just raise the dead at will as... Karthuses. Which doesn't seem common. And if they really aren't "mindless": Why are the people slaughtered by SI not... you know... unhappy and ungrateful? I can only conclude they are slaves at best, with an altered mind at worst. And this is all OOC because this is something bugging ME about this system. Not really Jair, my summoner.)) As stated earlier, Freljord can be a bit stupid. So give it to the league or Ionia. And I'm not drunk on power, I just think it would be funny. I couldn't care less about this island otherwise or who gets it really. Even SI. That would be CRUEL to the inhabitants, but as people have pointed out, they were just as willing to fight and slaughter without reason. I don't care about THEM. Edited by Jpdaniel, Dec 9 2014, 06:10 AM.
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| C Drive | Dec 9 2014, 01:41 PM Post #49 |
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Champions: Lulu and Viktor. We lack utility and large scale cc, they provide both. The other possible picks are either overkill on what we already have, or too niche to be a good choice. Research: I'm leaning towards the New Marai Republic and Letters of Marque. Bilgewater excels in commerce and navy so both of these options would play well to accentuate these strengths. In addition, it allows Bilgewater to develop more independence from other factions, which would ultimately be more beneficial to a pirate faction anyways. You can't rob an ally's trade routes without jeopardizing your relationship, and an enemy will seek to destroy you. The more neutral we can be to everyone, the better. Industry: Lunari. We rely on our navy, trying to compete with the big boys in military is just not efficient. Commerce: Buy Demacian Prisoners, and donate to another faction, specifically SI. Demacian prisoners has been explained enough, so I won't beat the dead horse. Why donate to SI? SI are being whiny about getting nothing out of their attack. We have commerce to spare, let's buy them off. If they get something out of the affair from us, at the very least we can avoid drawing the ire of their military should they attack again. However, we might stop them from attacking in general, or at least consult others on their intended actions first so as to not alarm everyone and possibly be reasoned with. And they're so behind that we really risk little by throwing them a bone. Espionage: Don't overextend. Counter-espionage. Petition: Macro. Macro all the way baby. Sanctions: Abstain if possible, condemn everyone if forced. It makes no sense to antagonize either faction at this point, but if worst comes to worst, they both were naughty. Krocylea: Share with Ionia? :> Sharing is caring. If not an option, give it to Ionia, keep it, or give it to the League. SI should hopefully not be angry with us if we bought them off (see Commerce), so it would give us the wiggle room to do something. Frel would benefit from Ionia getting it anyways because of how close they are, so the more neutral option is safer than just giving it to Frel. And there has to be a reason the island |
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| Vespertinity | Dec 9 2014, 03:49 PM Post #50 |
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So the poll has been expanded with a leadership vote. I still support Nami. |
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| Blackrose02 | Dec 9 2014, 04:11 PM Post #51 |
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I'm still fine with Nami's leadership, and does anyone know where the poll is, or if it has been opened yet? I can't seem to find it. |
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| Naggarok | Dec 9 2014, 04:18 PM Post #52 |
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It'll be open tonight after a final review. |
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| Zcrazyscotsman | Dec 9 2014, 04:24 PM Post #53 |
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Leader: Nami continues to lead Bilge in an agreeable direction. Secondary Champion: Lulu for another support. plus aren't we moving away from Noxus? Tertiary Champion: Viktor cause I play him better than the other available mages. Research Project: New marai Republic would certainly be my first choice. Industry Projects: Lunari church please, Diana may have been a big reason why I joined Bilge after all... Commerce: Buy back the Demacian prisoners, balance out relations with Demacia, kinda. Espionage: Counter espionage, root out those pesky spies. Petitions: Macro-benefits. Freljord and Shadow Isles: Definitely condemn Frel, while SI I would prefer to stay neutral with them. Krocylea: I can see where everyone is coming from about giving it to Ionia, but they are going to enjoy it about as much as a kid who gets underwear for Christmas (part of the point I know). It could even be seen mocking, in some ways. They also know it's another wasteland. With that said, I'm ok giving it to the League unless we are trying to curry "favor" with Ionia. |
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| theelkspeaks | Dec 10 2014, 11:53 AM Post #54 |
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I mean, why would we give the island to the League? That's kind of taking a pass on making a decision. Let's either keep it or give it to Ionia, and it looks like there's more support for the latter. |
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