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Lore Event III discussion.
Topic Started: Dec 8 2014, 11:28 AM (1,825 Views)
drmigit2
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Drmigit2:
I feel like from an Islander perspective, now would be a good time to ask us again what kind of status we want to take (Slaughter, Conquer, etc). Who we think we could be allies with, maybe pick a leader to the league? And perhaps have the Liches of Daeyux reach out for an alliance?


CupcakeTrap says:
2014/12/08 at 9:06 am
All excellent ideas. I’ll try to put something like that in this evening. I encourage you to talk with your fellow spooks and see what sorts of options you’d like to have. As long as you can convince Aatrox and Morde.


Hey guys, we are probably going to have more to think about in the coming days than expected it seems. So, as CCT says, what options do you guys want in relation to these? If anything else comes to mind y'all should mention that as well.
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silencermage
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About that what do you think of these industry projects? I was thinking of maybe something that works with thresh where he could release the souls of his imprisoned victims into undead bodies giving them sentience and intelligence but they our still sworn to serve the SI so they help is with research gains and industry bonuses. Or another route maybe could be a Yorick industry project where he promises to release certain undead from there eternal servitude in exchange for help elsewhere such as research, commerce ideas, or a karthus type industry project where we create something like a death gate where people can willingly give themselves over to death giving them sentience like karthus and allowing us to build a smart self sufficient SI community rather then just tons of mindless slaves.
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ChroniclerC
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I like the idea of Karthus leading, but with a more aggressive bent by Aatrox's influence. All shall know the glory of death.
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501st Big Mike
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The peace edict won't last forever, it will be lifted before the end of the arc. Then there is the fact that literally everyone turned on us after WE drove back the Void (sure the other factions were there, but their affect on battle was minimal in comparison). If fighting off the Void, who we are technically friends with (we still have their champions on the tertiary list), doesn't get us any brownie points with even Bilgewater, who has multiple times says they like us and want to help us, then it's quite simple that from now on all of the factions will not be playing nice with us.

Our army has gotten bigger thanks to the undead Freljord units we raised up, and we should be getting an epic sized military reward for driving back Void. Freljord and Ionia's armis, although victorious, are completely wiped out. The Shadow Isles forces recover quickly through industry. Honestly, if we were to use our industry to rebuild our forces, I don't see the anyone being able to put up much of a fight for the rest of the arc, nor would their likely be another opportunity for them to team up like that.

Then comes the fact that our military and industry is the only stat that isn't complete shit. We are unlikely to succeed in any kind of task that is not solely based on those 2 stats. And they combo quite nicely with each other thanks to our ability to regain lost forces at double speed. This argument, however, can swing in either direction as to focusing on rebuilding our military or not.

We could stick to our strengths and combo our industry and military together and try to use military force for future gains. We could also decide to try and be a more rounded faction and use our industry for another project to try and shore up some weaknesses.

The projects silencermage suggested (no other ideas yet brought forth at the time of writing this) for Yorick and Thresh really seem like research projects, not industry, but the Karthus project does sound like an industry project, assuming we already have the needed magic/tech required for such a device. Just remember while coming up with ideas for our project choices, an industry project is about building something (like a factory, barracks, or some kind of building or a device we already have the knowledge needed to construct). I could also see an industry project where we set up some kind of system to get something done more efficiently.

While at the start of the arc I would have advocated trying to focus on other stats than just our military, as it currently stands I am in favor of rebuilding our military as its very late in the arc to do many things with our other stats. That being said, I am not completely against an industry project other than rebuilding, it's just that so far none of the current ideas brought forth (very few so far, start posting ideas down) aren't particularly appealing to me.
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StormRevolver
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the only problem is we dont have enough time to rebuild our army even with our industry. that 30 so str took like a month and we have like a 100 to rebuild now
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501st Big Mike
Dec 8 2014, 02:18 PM
I could also see an industry project where we set up some kind of system to get something done more efficiently.
We need more graveyards to raise back our dead! XD
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Damaster00777
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Reading over the thing, here's what I wanna do:


  • Pick up Sion OR WW OR Koggles. Just spit ballin'
  • Accelerate Research OR Donate to Bilge. Maybe they'll give us Krolcyea back?
  • Not push our luck on petitions.
  • Use our industry to rebuild our military faster.
  • Counter-espionage OR steal research from Ionia or Frel.


That's what I got, but I'm crazy, so...
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Mazianos
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We seem to be failing quite a bit in-game, so I suggest an espionage thing to give us an edge on the Fields of Justice.

I really like the idea of Thresh releasing some souls so we don't have an army of mindless zombies.

Yorick could probably be convinced that letting the souls work for us is still servitude.

I don't know what this would be classified under but we could use Nocturne to cause nightmares and give us an edge in the Fields.

We need more opinions in here!
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CupcakeTrap
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I really like the idea of Thresh releasing some souls so we don't have an army of mindless zombies.


Thresh really doesn't like the idea of releasing some souls so we don't have an army of mindless zombies.
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silencermage
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TBH I think before we can come up with industry projects we need to find out who the shadow isles main leader is.
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CupcakeTrap
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Dec 8 2014, 04:56 PM
TBH I think before we can come up with industry projects we need to find out who the shadow isles main leader is.
That should possibly be in the poll, though with Aatrox, it would seem a little strange not to have it be Mordekaiser/Hecarim.
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StormRevolver
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Dec 8 2014, 03:45 PM
[*] Not push our luck on petitions.
why not? didnt we give up on favor?
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2sp00ky
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As far as champ pickup, for secondary, Sion is our best bet, he's a solid top laner, which is something we need, and not a dedicated jungler, which we have plenty of. Kog is pretty bad, I don't think we can do a good protect the kog comp, especially since they can now ban us out. assuming we protect kali every time, the only other position they can ban out completely atm is support, so Vel'koz is probably the best Tertiary champ for us, he also doubles as a better mid then morde in case of Karthus ban
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CupcakeTrap
Dec 8 2014, 05:07 PM
silencermage
Dec 8 2014, 04:56 PM
TBH I think before we can come up with industry projects we need to find out who the shadow isles main leader is.
That should possibly be in the poll, though with Aatrox, it would seem a little strange not to have it be Mordekaiser/Hecarim.
why cant we be bipolar like zaun? they got singed on their team :)
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Ares the Proud
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Cupcake Trap
 
That should possibly be in the poll, though with Aatrox, it would seem a little strange not to have it be Mordekaiser/Hecarim.


I disagree, i Think Karthus and Yorick understand the need for the millitary, Yorick is the only one i see being unhappy about it at all, I feel like we would have less a leader and more a council of sorts between yorick/karthus/Mord/hec who all do their own things and work together when we need to
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501st Big Mike
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Mazianos
Dec 8 2014, 04:50 PM

I don't know what this would be classified under but we could use Nocturne to cause nightmares and give us an edge in the Fields.

We need more opinions in here!
We are already working on a research project with this in mind. It's called Night Terrors, when completed it would give us a 1/6 chance to ban a summoner spell in featured matches. Nocturne would sneak into the league the night before the featured matches and invade the dreams of the summoners to play and try to mess with their magic. We have actually been working on this project from the start, but our crappy BoP and research stat is making it the longest research project in history.
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Mazianos
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So each member of the Council would be like a different branch of the Shadow Isles.

ie:
Kalista/Yorick/Thresh/Elise would be the representatives of the "collectors", those who collect souls or members to strengthen the Shadow Isles.
Mordekaiser/Hecarim/Urgot/Fiddle would represent those who want war and/or destruction.
Nocturne/Evelynn would represent subterfuge (spying).
Karthus would represent the Necromancers and those who make everything work

Amumu would cry in the corner because he would be alone and he doesn't really represent anything.
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Kaynunot
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2sp00ky
Dec 8 2014, 05:09 PM
As far as champ pickup, for secondary, Sion is our best bet, he's a solid top laner, which is something we need, and not a dedicated jungler, which we have plenty of. Kog is pretty bad, I don't think we can do a good protect the kog comp, especially since they can now ban us out. assuming we protect kali every time, the only other position they can ban out completely atm is support, so Vel'koz is probably the best Tertiary champ for us, he also doubles as a better mid then morde in case of Karthus ban
Unless it was nerfed since the videos, Warwick Top Challenging Smite with Devourer is still something to be feared by the lower tiers and even in the jungle he still has impressive sustain along with brutal level 6 ganks in either scenario while having extremely little skill requirement. Sion is definitely a close second with his five years of CC assuming we can coordinate the crowd control. From my understanding Kha'zix has fallen out of favor in Season 5, which is a shame because he's a good ganker, but I suggest Cho'gath for CC or Vel'koz for a good substitute midlane or unconventional poke support if Thresh is banned.

Two warnings though: One, if we ever play with Vel'koz Elise should be our jungler for the match to discourage Pure Health Building to counter Vel'koz's True Damage. Two... Picking any Void Champion opens up Kassadin against us, do we really want him Rift-Walking ontop of us?
Edited by Kaynunot, Dec 8 2014, 08:30 PM.
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Ares the Proud
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Well, it appears that Noxus managed to get us fucked without being in the arc at all. Bilge doesn't want an alliance anymore it seems, Them and Ionia getting closer, so I guess we just fight whatever and give up on allies.
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Kaynunot
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Dec 8 2014, 08:32 PM
Well, it appears that Noxus managed to get us fucked without being in the arc at all. Bilge doesn't want an alliance anymore it seems, Them and Ionia getting closer, so I guess we just fight whatever and give up on allies.
The moment they voted to bombard us I lost any hope of trying to get an alliance. Really though people need to stop trying to convince people with a single post 'DON'T DO X, DO Y INSTEAD BECAUSE WE TELL YOU TO!' That convinces absolutely no one. The Shadow Isles will have no friends, and if our Military swells up again, we don't need anyone anyway. The only thing we will need is to keep Bilgewater's ships in their ports and not ours. If they do invade our territory however, we could likely ask the League for free "Hey, they are trespassing on our territory (that isn't Krocylea) PUSH THEM OFF!"

Honestly, stop trying, the arcs almost over and they aren't even trying to hide their disdain, the only one willing to talk is Wizard996 but he's useless to us in this scenario. Reinforce our military, crack down on Daeyux and Neritum, and finish the arc so we can move onto the next one.
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