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Topic Started: Dec 8 2014, 11:28 AM (1,826 Views)
CupcakeTrap
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So I'm a little wary of chiming in, because it might sound like I'm speaking in more of an authoritative tone than I intend to. (Sometimes I think I need a stealth account or something. xX420noscopeXx, clearly.) But FWIW, here's a thought.

Why are we fretting about who likes us? Or dislikes us? We've chosen Aatrox. We've gone full metal. We've decided to become the final boss.

Now, perhaps we could try to banish Aatrox, and take it all back, and beg for forgiveness. That doesn't sound like a winning move.

Let's use our horrifying reputation.

Let's cut it out with the "well, um, we did decide to call down Aatrox, and use leyline magic, and slaughter you all to get to the islanders we wanted to kill, but, uh, we actually thought you might LIKE that! Really, it'd just be a way to bring peace to them. We didn't understand your complicated mortal rules about living and not wanting sharp pieces of metal stuck inside you. We're sorry."

Let's instead leverage that reputation. "Yeah. We tried to massacre the Krocyleans, because we figured it'd be fun. What about it? We almost pulled it off, but you were juuuuust a little too strong with both Krocylean kingdoms backing you, and the Freljord's use of rune magic tearing big chunks out of our army beforehand, and with us taking significant losses from fighting the Void. Well, now both of our armies are wiped out, and we reinforce faster, and have more troops to ship in from the Isles, than you. So when this peace edict is lifted, let's just say that no amount of boar will save you from us. So maybe you all should be careful about pissing us off. With that in mind: who wants to be the faction that condemns us and worsens the sanctions? That'll save us the trouble of deciding which of you to eat alive first."

There are advantages to being known as a ruthless monster. One of these is that we can make horrifying threats, and be completely believed. Demacia or Ionia can't do that; people know there's a good chance they'll wimp out, or that they can be dissuaded from their course of action by some League politicking. Nope. We'll do it. We just did. So don't mess with us. Get out of our way.

Or, hey. How about joining us on our rampage? Oh, you say it makes you feel bad? Clashes with your moral instincts? That sure sounds like Demacia. You know what Demacia has that you don't? One of the mightiest armies in Valoran and a range of allies with nigh-unshakable ties of loyalty. Ask yourselves very carefully if you can afford Demacia's ideological commitment to "justice".
Edited by CupcakeTrap, Dec 8 2014, 09:11 PM.
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PONCHOGRANDE
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Meanwhile in Top Lane...
I have to agree with Kuronan, alliances are out of the question at this point. Lets just stick to rebuilding our armies and securing Neritum and Dayeux.

Any chance we get for payback along the way is just icing on the cake.
Edited by PONCHOGRANDE, Dec 8 2014, 08:59 PM.
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ChroniclerC
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CupcakeTrap
Dec 8 2014, 08:51 PM
So I'm a little wary of chiming in, because it might sound like I'm speaking in more of an authoritative tone than I intend to. (Sometimes I think I need a stealth account or something. xX420noscopeXx, clearly.) But FWIW, here's a thought.

Why are we fretting about who likes us? Or dislikes us? We've chosen Aatrox. We've gone full metal. We've decided to become the final boss.

Now, perhaps we could try to banish Aatrox, and take it all back, and beg for forgiveness. That doesn't sound like a winning move.

Let's use our horrifying reputation.

Let's cut it out with the "well, um, we did decide to call down Aatrox, and use leyline magic, and slaughter you all to get to the islanders we wanted to kill, but, uh, we actually thought you might LIKE that! Really, it'd just be a way to bring peace to them. We didn't understand your complicated mortal rules about living and not wanting sharp pieces of metal stuck inside you. We're sorry."

Let's instead leverage that reputation. "Yeah. We tried to massacre the Krocyleans, because we figured it'd be fun. What about it? We almost pulled it off, but you were juuuuust a little too strong with both Krocylean kingdoms backing you, and the Freljord's use of rune magic tearing big chunks out of our army beforehand, and with us taking significant losses from fighting the Void. Well, now both of our armies are wiped out, and we reinforce faster, and have more troops to ship in from the Isles, than you. So when this peace edict is lifted, let's just say that no amount of boar will save you from us. So maybe you all should be careful about pissing us off. With that in mind: who wants to be the faction that condemns us and worsens the sanctions? That'll save us the trouble of deciding which of you to eat alive first."

There are advantages to being known as a ruthless monster. One of these is that we can make horrifying threats, and be completely believed. Demacia or Ionia can't do that; people know there's a good chance they'll wimp out, or that they can be dissuaded from their course of action by some League politicking. Nope. We'll do it. We just did. So don't mess with us. Get out of our way.
I support this plan. I'm excited to be a part of it.
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ChroniclerC
Dec 8 2014, 09:00 PM
I support this plan. I'm excited to be a part of it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGBB929PFKc
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Netherphoenix
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CupcakeTrap
Dec 8 2014, 08:51 PM
Let's cut it out with the "well, um, we did decide to call down Aatrox, and use leyline magic, and slaughter you all to get to the islanders we wanted to kill, but, uh, we actually thought you might LIKE that! Really, it'd just be a way to bring peace to them. We didn't understand your complicated mortal rules about living and not wanting sharp pieces of metal stuck inside you. We're sorry."

Let's instead leverage that reputation. "Yeah. We tried to massacre the Krocyleans, because we figured it'd be fun. What about it? We almost pulled it off, but you were juuuuust a little too strong with both Krocylean kingdoms backing you, and the Freljord's use of rune magic tearing big chunks out of our army beforehand, and with us taking significant losses from fighting the Void. Well, now both of our armies are wiped out, and we reinforce faster, and have more troops to ship in from the Isles, than you. So when this peace edict is lifted, let's just say that no amount of boar will save you from us. So maybe you all should be careful about pissing us off. With that in mind: who wants to be the faction that condemns us and worsens the sanctions? That'll save us the trouble of deciding which of you to eat alive first."
I agree with this, we should focus on building up our armies again and maintaining our reputation. If we can't get what we want, we can make sure that the other factions are going to spend more than they bargained for attempting their own goals. With no allies, and everyone disliking us, plus the fact that we don't really care about what they think of us, we can pursue what ever ends we desire.
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Mazianos
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Just to clarify, we want to continue with our current snowball and try to beat the shit out of everyone who gets in our way.
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501st Big Mike
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Dec 8 2014, 08:28 PM
Picking any Void Champion opens up Kassadin against us, do we really want him Rift-Walking ontop of us?
I don't see kass as much of a problem for us. Bilgewater and Ionia already have some op assasin mid laners so Kassadin isn't adding anything new to their choices, and Freljord really likes to take advantage of their skilled Anivia players and use her insane lategame aoe dmg.
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StormRevolver
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Dec 8 2014, 08:28 PM
Picking any Void Champion opens up Kassadin against us, do we really want him Rift-Walking ontop of us?
Uh we already got mobility problems without him. But i would realy not want to make a discord again. If we pick up a void champ it would be okay if it was in the way that we contain them or something.
Edited by StormRevolver, Dec 9 2014, 12:49 AM.
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silencermage
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I'd like everyone's honest opinion though had military not been our only option how would everyone have felt about a undead utopia type of society in which a hierarchy of control was established through karthus as our leader with other champions in a council type setting. And to add on to this creating thinking undead rather then just mindless beings?
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Rakdosis
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I think when planning our pickup we really need to focus on the enemy champion line ups, We need to think about 1 synergy within our own teamcomps, and what the goal of our teamfight is. 2 what the lanes are going to be like on the opposing faction.

For example: Vlad would be a great team fight pick up with our already heavy aoe comp he can increase all the damage with his ult. On the down side Irelia does very well vs vlad and we have plenty of ap in champ pool already

I think Kog would be a great pick up, we have decent cc to protect him with thresh and amumu and hell we even have Yorick, Kog is definately a nice yorick ult target.

Plus with kog as the pickup that gives us 3 adc's so that role can't be banned out and we can focus a shield somewhere else if so desired
Edited by Rakdosis, Dec 9 2014, 09:56 AM.
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silencermage
Dec 9 2014, 09:36 AM
I'd like everyone's honest opinion though had military not been our only option how would everyone have felt about a undead utopia type of society in which a hierarchy of control was established through karthus as our leader with other champions in a council type setting. And to add on to this creating thinking undead rather then just mindless beings?
I would have loved an Undead Utopian Society! Maybe we could have increased Commerce by selling Spooky Pina Coolatas! Thinking undead would be cool if they weren't cowards though.
Edited by Kaynunot, Dec 9 2014, 10:14 AM.
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StormRevolver
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silencermage
Dec 9 2014, 09:36 AM
I'd like everyone's honest opinion though had military not been our only option how would everyone have felt about a undead utopia type of society in which a hierarchy of control was established through karthus as our leader with other champions in a council type setting. And to add on to this creating thinking undead rather then just mindless beings?

you know im always with you on this :) and we can still do it if we want ^^ And we could do this together with taking stormhaven. when the peace edict is done, and we see how many military we got and they got, we could take stormhaven when atleast some of the 3 faction is out somewhere exploring, and then we could just fortify ourselfs in there :)
Edited by StormRevolver, Dec 9 2014, 10:28 AM.
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