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Nyroth's Souls
Topic Started: Dec 9 2014, 05:36 PM (1,613 Views)
501st Big Mike
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Something that we need to start considering once again are the Souls of Nyroth from the cataclysm that made the mainland uninhabitable. If you recall, there is an abundance of souls from those slain in the cataclysm, and they have yet to find rest or be raised as undead. We talked with them about information on the cataclysm, but chose to take the Night Terrors research project to help with our in-game weaknesses. (Going to take a moment to say that I think the research system needs to be less damning to factions with low BoP scores. As it stands, Bilgewater is looking to complete 3 research projects this arc, with Ionia and Freljord looking to complete 2 each. SI on the other hand might not even finish 1. But that's not the point of this post, and I hope the topic doesn't end up revolving around this; that's for another discussion)


The souls are still there, and we have the power to do things with them. Not currently, as our research slot is taken up, but as part of our end of arc orders we would likely be given the choice to start up the project on what to do with those souls. The options we were presented with last time were: send them to their eternal rest, raise them up as undead legions, or feed them to the void. There might have been 1 or 2 more optoins concerning the souls, but i can't remember any.

I think it would be a good idea to discuss what we want to do with our end of arc orders concerning the souls now, as it is a very big decision and we want to have it fully discussed when the time comes.

The advantages of each choice were: Eternal Rest - brownie points with league, get some favor; Raise to Undead Soldiers - large amount of military strength gained; Feed to Void - Void champs move from tertiary to secondary, cause void invasions across Nyroth.

The Eternal Rest option was very vague on the details and advantages, would appreciate more info on it. As for Feed to Void, with new champ recruitment system, and more importantly arc coming to close, the changing of void champs seems unnecessary. The Void invasions seemed too psycho to us at the time, but after recent events sentiments towards playing nice have shifted hard. I'm not sure how much we would gain off of these invasions, but maybe people are more interested in sticking it to rest of the factions without putting ourselves in line of fire. The Raise to Undead Soldiers would, presumably, would give us the most direct benefits.

Maybe we can have Cupcake let us know more about the Eternal rest option, and if any details of Feed to Void have changed now that the champion move thing is N/A.
Edited by 501st Big Mike, Dec 9 2014, 05:38 PM.
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StormRevolver
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at the last poll we favored eternal rest over empyrian chains, and the support to the void tower was nearly extinct. I would still prefer if we could go for eternal rest, but i would like it if it gave us macro advantage instead of just favor, like more research and things like that, and we could use it to start build the "intelligent" undeads some of us wanted. the chains are still viable choice but as we can see we can get shittons of military other ways, so i think we should use or research for something better. And i would always say no to the void :)
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FrigidVengence
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Right now, it looks like raising the undead as soldiers is our best choice, given the current situation with everything fighting us and having Aatrox. Putting them to rest might also be a good choice if the benefits are clearly outlined and in our favor, should we choose to go the more diplomatic route. However, we are going to need a lot more than "brownie points with the league" and "some favor" for this to be a viable option. And based on the recent evens involving the Void on Krocylea and the League's reaction to said events, we should probably avoid that. Plus Mike's aforementioned reasons.
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drmigit2
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It's clear that diplomacy isn't an option anymore. Nice guys finish last and it's time to go ahead and be the guys we started as. To quote Karthus from the beginning of the arc:
“There are many who fear us. Perhaps you, too, wish to be feared.” The air reportedly turned cold as he spoke. “Lend us your magic, fight for us with all your cunning and expertise, and you shall receive such gifts as none but we can offer. Come, all you mortals who fear your end, and make death your ally.”

Those who would ally themselves with death have come forward. It's time to show the world why the Shadow Isles is a force to be feared. Our first objective will be to gain access to the mainland nexus, and to either shatter it or hopefully use the energy of Daeyux to transform Nyroth into an extension of our Isles.
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Kaynunot
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I thought we were done with Playing Nice... Unless releasing souls suddenly amps the crap out of our Research and/or Espionage stats, I'd vote for Feeding the Souls to the Void just to piss on everyone. Enslaving them is our best option if we ever plan on doing anything ever again.
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Netherphoenix
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The void hungers, and we need to be sated. If you have the means to do so you should endeavor to appease us.

*Cough cough* ....ugg, my head hurts....anyways, what was I saying?
Edited by Netherphoenix, Dec 9 2014, 06:10 PM.
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Kaynunot
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Hm... maybe if the Shadow Isles feeds the Nyrothian Souls to the void, all Void champions (except Kassadin) are permanently moved to Secondary (since the bonus offered before is useless to us this arc)
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drmigit2
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Dec 9 2014, 06:10 PM
Hm... maybe if the Shadow Isles feeds the Nyrothian Souls to the void, all Void champions (except Kassadin) are permanently moved to Secondary (since the bonus offered before is useless to us this arc)
That would require the void spire. We don't have the void spire. Unfortunately we also did not take Stygian Chains, so that leaves us with Nocturne haunting more summoners. Our options are pretty slim on this matter, unfortunately.
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Kaynunot
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drmigit2
Dec 9 2014, 06:13 PM
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Dec 9 2014, 06:10 PM
Hm... maybe if the Shadow Isles feeds the Nyrothian Souls to the void, all Void champions (except Kassadin) are permanently moved to Secondary (since the bonus offered before is useless to us this arc)
That would require the void spire. We don't have the void spire. Unfortunately we also did not take Stygian Chains, so that leaves us with Nocturne haunting more summoners. Our options are pretty slim on this matter, unfortunately.
It's been speculated we will get to decide what to do with the souls of the Nyrothians as a Lore Decision because we weren't given enough research to actually complete Night Terrors much less vote on a second research. This is for speculation on if we can decide the fate of Nyrothian Souls as a Lore Decision.
Edited by Kaynunot, Dec 9 2014, 06:25 PM.
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Damaster00777
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I wanna play nice until we get Krolcyea back, and then we can go back to being bloodthirsty warmongering killers.
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Dec 9 2014, 07:19 PM
I wanna play nice until we get Krolcyea back, and then we can go back to being bloodthirsty warmongering killers.
Problem is, the other factions think we're always the bloodthirsty warmongering killers (which is kinda true, but mainly because military is our greatest strength), so they won't listen to reason easily. It's gonna take a whole lot of convincing to get them on our side to get the island.
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I would have to say I would like to know more about the Eternal Rest before making a decision. Currently I am afraid that raising them is the only option, unless for some reason we would want to get the void champs.
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Can we please see if cct will allow us to bring the souls back as sentient and intelligent undead that way maybe we can create an undead utopia which we can build off of
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Dec 9 2014, 11:19 PM
Can we please see if cct will allow us to bring the souls back as sentient and intelligent undead that way maybe we can create an undead utopia which we can build off of
I think that this would be an awesome thing to build and create, yet something in whatever remnants of a soul that I was given craves the Void to grow. Maybe far into the future we can research accessing the worlds that parallel our own, and helping the void conquer them...such as the world(s) that Malphite, Taric, or Kayle/Morgana came from. I think that this would be an interesting story line to pursue considering little has been done to expand those dimensions/words.
Edited by Netherphoenix, Dec 10 2014, 12:32 AM.
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501st Big Mike
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silencermage has undoubtedly been the biggest advocate of SI taking the nice guy route. While he is certainly the minority here, I do in fact believe there should be more nice guy options with real benefits for us, so that he, and others who think that SI should do similarly, will have choices to do so that are actually viable for us.

As it stands, the Eternal Rest option is a joke, we gain so little from it compared to the other options that most people don't consider it unless they really just want to be the nice guys. Please, Cupcake, let them at least have a chance to argue for nicer options. They don't have to give us the most profit/gains, but they need to be more formed that what we are currently being given.

Actually chances SI has been given to be Nice guy this arc:
1) Eternal rest option for Nyroth souls - complete lack of significant rewards (or, if there were significant rewards they weren't told to us)
2) Help Ionia talk to ghosts - not even all that nice guy of an option, for all we knew the talking could have lead to fighting;
3) Fix Nexus on Krocylea to try and end the wars - Wasn't even a real option as would have been an epic level research check that we were guarenteed to fail.

Then their was Deyux and Neritum. Deyux literally only gave us options of military conflicts (e.g. Do you want to fight undead hordes to get to Nexus? Do you want to overthrow the liches? The options surrounding what to do with Nexus were made N/A). Neritum's options where: Start a fight and overthrown king, or work with him so he can prepare to invade other islands and Nyroth mainland (and it's implied there is a high chance he will betray us).

Now, would SI have chosen a bunch of nice guy options if we had them, not likely. But, people like silencermage should at least have options that would allow for their dream of what the Shadow Isles should be.
Edited by 501st Big Mike, Dec 10 2014, 12:33 AM.
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StormRevolver
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my real problem with eternal chain is that we sure as hell wont finish it in this arc, so we wouldn't be able to use the extra military, but if we get a research, industry or whatever macro bonus it will work even when SI is in passive mode.
Edited by StormRevolver, Dec 10 2014, 02:59 AM.
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I don't even need us to be nice guys per say. What I seek is SI becoming an actual society like place and not just champions that lead mindless dead. We could have a society like Noxus for all I care it's just annoying to imagine that all SI is are champs that say " go do this zombies" and it's as simple as that. Now I know I'm asking for a lot here considering necromancers command the dead but I feel like this choice would make SI feel more like a faction as a whole and not just champions that do willy nilly.
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Dec 10 2014, 11:31 AM
I don't even need us to be nice guys per say. What I seek is SI becoming an actual society like place and not just champions that lead mindless dead. We could have a society like Noxus for all I care it's just annoying to imagine that all SI is are champs that say " go do this zombies" and it's as simple as that. Now I know I'm asking for a lot here considering necromancers command the dead but I feel like this choice would make SI feel more like a faction as a whole and not just champions that do willy nilly.
Ditto
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Dec 10 2014, 11:31 AM
I don't even need us to be nice guys per say. What I seek is SI becoming an actual society like place and not just champions that lead mindless dead. We could have a society like Noxus for all I care it's just annoying to imagine that all SI is are champs that say " go do this zombies" and it's as simple as that. Now I know I'm asking for a lot here considering necromancers command the dead but I feel like this choice would make SI feel more like a faction as a whole and not just champions that do willy nilly.
There are a lot of benefits to creating intelligent undead. Think of our military might, the pure numbers of the undead combined with the raw intelligence of the 'living'. Legions capable of independent thought and action, able to improvise and adapt, not simply run at the problem. It would open up so many tactical possibilities, and would free up the champions from the need to micromanage the hordes.
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501st Big Mike
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Don't forget that having intelligent undead would make our stats, such as research, a whole lot less crappy. All of this said, it really depends on what options we are given and what rewards those bring.
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