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| Topic Started: Dec 10 2014, 01:55 AM (3,155 Views) | |
| 501st Big Mike | Dec 10 2014, 02:25 PM Post #21 |
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The way I see it, it's too late in the arc for us to make much gains other than through military. Although I do think that overall Karthus is the best leadership choice for the Shadow Isles, with the arc almost over it's too late to win stuff outside of military conflicts and so we should have Aatrox buff up our military for that. As for our Krocylea rewards, its too late for us to win arc so we shouldn't waste our gains for more champion pick ups. Noxus and Zaun are a must for us to team up with, combined they are the strongest force in Valoran and we should keep on their good side. Bandle City, I could go either way. Demacia is the faction with the anti-undead champions, we need to keep the hell away. Piltover is too closely tied to Demacia and too anti-Zaun, we should stay back for now. As for Azir, I don't see why we can't help him out for now. We do him some small favors, risk little, and get some moderately sized possible rewards. If it becomes politically hard to work with him and keep any allies we might potentially gain, we can always drop him (unless it seems we would gain more by backing him than our other allies), as we wouldn't be too invested in Shurima. Not part of this event, but I wonder what kind of options the Shadow Isles would have concerning Nefara and Shurima. She is certainly undead and has necromanic powers, and her intro suggests she made a deal with the void, we could try and gain her on our side. Sure she brainwashed the SI champs, but I don't think they are the kind to hold grudges over people using necromancy to control undead (would be so hypocritical). We could also try to make her a dominate power in Shurima, and help her steal from Azir until she is able to raise up a new empire in the desert (would kill relations with Azir, but if it works he wouldn't have any power to do much about it). Inversely, we could do Azir a favor and wipe out that crazy bitch out. Or, in a rather unlikely yet still possibly scenario, we could try to communicate with her and try to convince her to join Azir in building the new Shurima. She is, after all, undead, giving SI a bit of influential power, and used to be a princess of Shurima (so Azir would want her to join him, and she might want to see her ancient home rebuilt). Now back to the matter at hand. Spend our money on research, we desperately need to finish up the project b4 arc ends. I say we should go on the offensive with our espionage. So far we have done counter-espionage every time and no one has bothered to try and do anything to us. We also have no favor with league, so its not like we have much to lose. I' like the idea of taking a look around the league, we really need to finish our research project. I don't think trying to do anything to bilge would be smart; even though I am pretty pissed at them turning on us like that, we don't want bilge to start fighting us until we make the first moves (and espionage acts could cause them to start things up sooner than we are ready). Looking at Frel and Ionia, if people chicken out of looking around the league I think they are the next best choices. They have nothing to threaten us with (other than to do stuff to lower our favor, which is pointless), and getting back at them would be nice. Lastly, for the champions, I think Kog'maw and Cho'Gath are our best options. Cho'Gath gives us some tankiness we have been lacking and some more diversity in our choices for top lane. Kog'Maw gives us a few things: 1) people can't ban out our adc, 2) he is still a very op lategame hyper carry, and 3) most people don't know how to use Kalista yet Edited by 501st Big Mike, Dec 10 2014, 02:38 PM.
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| 501st Big Mike | Dec 10 2014, 02:47 PM Post #22 |
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Was going to put this as part of my last post, but it was getting too long. If we do end up with Aatrox as our leader, we totally should make this our official banner for the arc:
Edited by 501st Big Mike, Dec 10 2014, 02:49 PM.
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| Netherphoenix | Dec 10 2014, 02:51 PM Post #23 |
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I think that sis option, trying to get nefarious and Azir working together would be best. Since Azir and shurima are pretty much blank slates, it would be best to get him on our side. He is champion level, so dismissing him out of hand is outright foolish in my opinion. Nefara is also powerful, and if we can get the two to ally we potential have a foothold into eventually expanding our influence and territory, and maybe eventually a greater acceptance our our existence. One of the risks that I see with this is if whey get too powerful and turn on us, so if we do facilitate this, we should be aware and keep some sort of insurance. Also, espionage on the league, I was unsure on this, but by how much would that actually assist our research? Edit: Also, we should add that banner to the poll, I vote yes Edited by Netherphoenix, Dec 10 2014, 02:52 PM.
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| 501st Big Mike | Dec 10 2014, 03:00 PM Post #24 |
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It doesn't outright state how much it would help us, but I can imagine it being pretty significant (the league is known as the center of magical research and is sure to have lots of secrets locked up somewhere). Glad you like the banner
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| Pinky Lotus | Dec 10 2014, 03:03 PM Post #25 |
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There are a lot of scores to settle atm. Aatrox is our only shot to make good on them, not to mention limiting our roster probably isn't the best thing to do right before the final tourney. We should simple keep our noses out of the other factions politics and build up what we got. Patience is a virtue, in moderation... |
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| Netherphoenix | Dec 10 2014, 04:04 PM Post #26 |
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I find it interesting how a majority think that we should mess everyone up for espionage, yet the majority for offensive vs. Counter Espionage is not favoring the same way. |
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| Netherphoenix | Dec 10 2014, 04:18 PM Post #27 |
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Also, have the 2 Major and 1 minor reward from the battle of Krocylea been chosen? I was looking at the battle doc and that could be a serious boon to our research, unless we already spent it. |
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| StormRevolver | Dec 10 2014, 04:19 PM Post #28 |
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We can pick karthus and still go around with atrox taking islens or anything we can think of, i just think we got a lot more options and long term benefits if we let karthus run the show, and atrox be the arm. |
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| bakaultima | Dec 10 2014, 04:25 PM Post #29 |
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i have a question does thing like miltary roll over into a later arc if it does go full military and try to buddy buddy up with zaun and noxes and kinda lay low we are undead we got all the time in the world and patience is a virtue though i wouldnt be opposed to going back and getting some crystal crabs maybe fixing that island |
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| 501st Big Mike | Dec 10 2014, 04:32 PM Post #30 |
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As to my understanding, all of the military units that the other factions gain on Nyroth, stay on Nyroth (but would likely be compensated in some way at end of arc) because the Nyroth natives and automa are helping them now, but won't abandon their homes to fight every war they are told to. Shadow Isles on the other hand keep all of their military units because we raised them from the dead as undead slaves, which are kinda stuck doing what we tell them to. |
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| 501st Big Mike | Dec 10 2014, 04:33 PM Post #31 |
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They have yet to be spent. |
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| 501st Big Mike | Dec 10 2014, 04:35 PM Post #32 |
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While i agree that Karthus is normally our best choice for leadership, but the arc is only a couple weeks from ending. We won't be gaining much with his type of strategies in that short of a time frame. Aatrox would be giving us some military units that we need to keep up the pressure on the other factions, and when arc is over our pact with him ends, so we could switch to Karthus leadership at that point. Edited by 501st Big Mike, Dec 10 2014, 04:35 PM.
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| StormRevolver | Dec 10 2014, 04:42 PM Post #33 |
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This is reasonable, but it worries me that so many voters want to get void champs. If it were framed like we take custody of them to keep them in check or inprison them or somethign like that it would be fine, but it reminds me more of a discord pact, and i think it gives nothing to us, just more heat. |
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| 501st Big Mike | Dec 10 2014, 04:45 PM Post #34 |
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I'm pretty sure that the void champs have no lore effects, they are simply just champ pick ups. |
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| StormRevolver | Dec 10 2014, 04:51 PM Post #35 |
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last time someone picked up malz didnt end too well
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| CupcakeTrap | Dec 10 2014, 04:54 PM Post #36 |
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I'm waiting to see if you plan to spend some of those rewards on Champs or not. Once that's decided, I'll take the remainder and allocate them. |
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| 501st Big Mike | Dec 10 2014, 05:02 PM Post #37 |
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I'm pretty sure that the void champs have no lore effects, they are simply just champ pick ups.[/quote]last time someone picked up malz didnt end too well :([/quote]True, but SI is relatively protected from this in a few ways. First is that arc is almost over and we still have a tournament to cram in; meaning that there isn't time for another gigantic battle involving a void invasion. Second is that, unlike last arc, we haven't been doing anything involving Void magic that is causing the dimensional fabric between our 2 realms to weaken (it was officially stated that the dmg from the rune magic and the void was limited solely to Krocylea). Third is the fact is we have the old discord alliance. Not trying to say that if we pick them up we become full Discord, but simply that the odds of the Void champs turning on us is about the same as a Zaun champion turning on Noxus. Fourth is that everybody is getting tired of void invasions, so the lore department won't want to write yet another one so quickly after the last one. And lastly, we kinda just showed the Void who the top dog of the Discord alliance is; they know that they can't fight our military and win unless the get a freaking HUGE void rift even larger than Kroyclea and Shurima, which isn't going to happen. |
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| Netherphoenix | Dec 10 2014, 05:08 PM Post #38 |
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Do we get an opportunity to decide on how we would like them to be allocated? or are they done so based on how they were earned? |
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| StormRevolver | Dec 11 2014, 01:50 AM Post #39 |
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I was thinking but shoulndt we choose our leader AFTER we see how the other factions decide about the island and sanctions? |
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| Kaynunot | Dec 11 2014, 09:12 AM Post #40 |
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A good idea that can't be done because all factions have to act on initiative to each other rather than Reactionary... otherwise everyone would demand to be able to do their poll last so they could decide after knowing what the others are doing. Plus that would take even more time, time we don't have this arc. Edited by Kaynunot, Dec 11 2014, 09:15 AM.
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