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Plan your (our) rampage; You've got a huge army. What are you going to do with it?
Topic Started: Dec 13 2014, 09:06 PM (3,100 Views)
CupcakeTrap
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By summoning Aatrox, the Shadow Isles issued a "screw you" to the League, to matches on the Fields of Justice, and to all of these annoying sanctions and other political quibblings.

I think the Shadow Isles should decide what exactly it wants to do with this enormous army.

Here's my default proposal. I want to get this moving ASAP. The League edict will lift after the tournament. I normally wouldn't consider it appropriate for me to pitch an idea to a faction, but time is of the essence; I'm basically sketching out here what I think the leaders of SI might be thinking in-universe. It is only a starting idea.

This might seem to be moving pretty fast, but most of these options wouldn't require a fancy lore event, just some rolls and (where factions intervene) a few matches.

Monday/Tuesday: Return to Daeyux.
Daeyux and Neritum are your islands to do with as you please. You can conquer them np np with your huge army, and gain new undead in the process. (I don't actually know quite what the League's rules are about islands. I'm very willing to bend that so as to make sure SI gets its chance to unleash some mayhem. If having the islands totally protected makes it simpler, we can do that. If you'd rather have them wide open, that may also be possible.)

One nice thing about this option: it can be done VERY quickly. I don't think there'd even need to be a lore event. If anything, there'd just be a question about ambition: do you want to pit your armies against an Epic challenge with an Epic reward, or a Minor challenge with a Minor reward, or what? (This might just be SI's "slot" in the revisit-spree.)

In summary: go conquer Daeyux and buff your armies.


Wednesday/Thursday: Demand access to Yoroth.
It's not clear who will win the tournament just yet. Go to whoever wins and insist that they give SI a piece of Yoroth. If they refuse, your "hammer" is to attack them on the mainland: nobody owns the mainland, and the League will not intervene (unless someone busts out rune magic or does something similarly dangerous). This might trigger an "SI vs. everyone" fight, but that might not be the worst thing. Remember: sanctions are about League matches, not the battlefield. They don't get bans against you on Nyroth. You've got a shot out there.

If they refuse you, even after being warned, you fight them. If you win, you destroy their army (and raise them as undead, becoming much more powerful). At that point, you're truly the gatekeeper, especially since it's a fair guess that taking Yoroth will require an army.

If they agree, then you get to join them in Yoroth and steer their decisions there.

Of course, you might lose. Obviously.

So, those are just some ideas. But I wanted to put them out there. I get that you guys are dispirited, no pun intended. But I think it'll be a real shame if you don't take at least one shot at victory off the Fields, away from those nasty sanctions.

What do you guys think? Do you have another plan? Please discuss.
I'm happy to formalize this with a lore event, but to start with, I'd like you to start your evil schemery.

EDIT: And I'm also open to somewhat less directly aggro options. Maybe you just make Daeyux and Neritum yours, and then show up to demand partial control over Yoroth. Or maybe you take the second place winner and demand a share of their region of the mainland. Aatrox wants blood, but if you guys want to try something less directly destructive, I'm amenable to that.
Edited by CupcakeTrap, Dec 13 2014, 10:06 PM.
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Why not split up the army a bit? If I am correct then Daeyux should already have a chunk of its power destroyed from earlier, and Neritum is in absolute shambles. Why not split the army up, and send some of it to each island so that we can get it all done? Ofc there would be a larger risk to this but...?

And, yea I'm absolutely ok with forcing ourselves onto Yoroth. >:)

Bring it Valoran & Nyroth!


P.S. - I personally am in the silencermage(I think?) camp where I would like a rise to an actual undead civilization, with laws that Mike brought up in a thread about how we are different. (Not sure where it was, but he logic'd everyone) Especially because I am completely against the idea that the SI should subvert themselves and join a Noxian Zaunite Imperium. (<3 you Kuronan, but it ain't happening.)
Edited by Zondervain, Dec 13 2014, 09:52 PM.
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I just want Daeyux and Neritum, anything else would be nice but Daeyux and Neritum come first. And I am also in favor of this Intelligent Undead Society, so long as their ultimate allegiance is to the Shadow Isles. (Obviously I love Zaun and Noxus but the Shadow Isles should join them of their own vocation. Intelligent Undead should also be made incapable of rebelling but generally Smart Undead is something I like thinking about.)
Edited by Kaynunot, Dec 13 2014, 11:02 PM.
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501st Big Mike
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Zondervain
Dec 13 2014, 09:51 PM
Why not split up the army a bit? If I am correct then Daeyux should already have a chunk of its power destroyed from earlier, and Neritum is in absolute shambles. Why not split the army up, and send some of it to each island so that we can get it all done? Ofc there would be a larger risk to this but...?

And, yea I'm absolutely ok with forcing ourselves onto Yoroth. >:)

Bring it Valoran & Nyroth!


P.S. - I personally am in the silencermage(I think?) camp where I would like a rise to an actual undead civilization, with laws that Mike brought up in a thread about how we are different. (Not sure where it was, but he logic'd everyone) Especially because I am completely against the idea that the SI should subvert themselves and join a Noxian Zaunite Imperium. (<3 you Kuronan, but it ain't happening.)
I don't think we should split our forces up. For starters, that kind of choice has, historically speaking, been the downfall of many armies/generals. Right now we have an op military that is unstoppable, if we split it up we would end up taking a fair number of casualties (don't forget that splitting it up would result in one of those forces losing the Aatrox bonus). If we do want to use our army to deal with the other factions later, we need to make sure all of it is geared up and ready to fight (hard to do if we took significant casualties).

Also, I don't trust the other factions. If we split up our army to deal with both islands at they same time, I wouldn't be surprised if they chose to gang up and fight one of those forces to try and take out our military advantage.

As for the Yoroth options, I propose a slightly different approach to it. Instead of saying "Let us explore Yoroth we we start attacking," and playing it by ear from there, I have a more effective plan I think we should use. Right now the separate armies of the other factions are not hanging around together, leaving them vulnerable. We could send our army out to Yoroth before making any announcements or demands, meet up with the faction currently controlling Yoroth (aka the faction that won the tournament), and demand that they sign a treaty that would give us access to Yoroth.

Even with the other factions united, our army would have the upper hand due to Aatrox, and how quickly we replenished our forces while Ionia's and Freljord's are still in shambles, so a single faction's army would stand 0 chance of surviving ours. They would have to sign the treaty we present them with or be wiped out. If they sign the treaty, then we get access to Yoroth and the document would give us League protection from them attacking us while in Yoroth. If they don't sign the treaty, we slaughter their forces and are in sole possession of Yoroth, but any battle with the other factions would have one less army to deal with, giving us even better odds.
Edited by 501st Big Mike, Dec 13 2014, 10:33 PM.
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First off, I am in complete favor of going back to Daeyux, mopping up the mindless undead, stabilizing the nexus, and having a lovely little mini-Shadow Isles to go vacationing at. We can even keep the liches around and ostensibly in-charge since apparently everyone is so picky about us overthrowing local government. :P

After that, I wanna see what's happened Neritum after we overthrew that local government. Since we've got the gauntlet and everything, maybe we can enslave them or something. I vote that, if enslavement is an thing, we do so in the most inhumane way possible, since apparently undeath is sooooo bad. You know, continuing on the path of subverting the "lessons" they tried to teach us at Krocylea.

Beyond that? Show of force to claim the center of Nyroth sounds like fun, actually. I mean, we wouldn't be allowed to actually go in, "Lest all the forces of blah blah blah", but we can definitely keep everyone else out, and the League bugger off back into their paperwork for that noise.
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You know, I am a fan of the ideas being tossed around here. I think a divide and conquer approach could be more effective. The Frejlord has no army to speak of, we don't need to worry about them. That said, if we can ambush Bilgewater or Ionia and kill their armies real fast, the other factions would have to give in to our demands. I say we teach Bilgewater a lesson about betrayal. If they need to go through the mainland to reach Yoroth, then we intercept them. Let's not give them a chance to ally up with anyone. Alternatively, if gaining access to Yoroth is our imperative, then we should attempt to ambush Ionia somewhere and then use that to threaten Bilgewater. The goal then would be to force whoever is in control of the main nexus in the Nyrothian mainland to turn the entire mainland into an undead paradise like Daeyux. Fuck the fields, we have the warzone.
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If we could get that option to intercept forces, that would be my favorite thing, but i'd rather get liches and a country and then have the option to face down Bilge and dare them to oppose us. I will say that if we can face them one at a time, Frel, then Ionia, then Bilge, that would be amazing. Get all of our payback at once. But even then, while it is Gratifying to kill them, I want Control of the islands first.
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After Neritum i would say that we surprise one of the other factions while they are using their forces on somewhere and wreck their forces while they are alone. Bilgewater preferably, because we may win over them even when they win the matches, but they are alone, and if we manage to wreck them there is realy noone to keep us in check. (I would realy like to know how the militarys presently are because its hard to plan anything.) After that i say lets go for StormHaven and get it, and dig in there. Thats the main staging point for every faction. if we can take it over it would be a huge boon for us. (again no military numbers so hard to say anything.) If we controll stormhaven we could literaly overrun everything after that. or just w8 untill they starve.
Edited by StormRevolver, Dec 14 2014, 02:39 AM.
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bah stupid buttons again
Edited by StormRevolver, Dec 14 2014, 02:39 AM.
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I agree with a lot of our options here. Going back to both of the islands can give the Isles a good foothold in the Nyroth area. Demanding a share of Yoroth is a bit risky, but also has a chance of going over well. Ambushing individual factions would be just as effective as taking over one of our islands, plus it would reduce any casualties in future conflicts with the other factions (guerrilla warfare, anybody?). I we should definitely have a smart/intelligent undead society going on, as it could benefit our research stat and such for future arcs (so future SI summoners don't get as screwed over as we did). However, I'm throwing my support for these options under one condition: NO RUNE MAGIC THIS TIME.
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I am all for getting a little payback at the rest of the factions for Krocylea, taking a piece of Yoroth would just be icing on the cake. I also agree with what is being said here, our strategy should be to divide and conquer, inflicting as much damage as possible with the forces we have. If we do end up getting access to Yoroth, it would be an awful shame if something were to happen to the nexus there. An awful shame indeed... *moustache twirl*
Edited by PONCHOGRANDE, Dec 14 2014, 07:20 AM.
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HELLS YEAH, Lets go punch some crabs in the face, THEN, some people in the face, THEN, everyone else in the face!

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BONE DRAGON!
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Dec 14 2014, 07:04 AM
I am all for getting a little payback at the rest of the factions for Krocylea, taking a piece of Yoroth would just be icing on the cake. I also agree with what is being said here, our strategy should be to divide and conquer, inflicting as much damage as possible with the forces we have. If we do end up getting access to Yoroth, it would be an awful shame if something were to happen to the nexus there. An awful shame indeed... *moustache twirl*
I totally just came up with one crazy ass plan. If we do manage to get into Yoroth, we hold the Mega-Nexus hostage. We used our option of speaking to the dead to learn more about the cataclysm and what caused the Mega-Nexus to fail; we could, presumably, use that knowledge to make the Mega-Nexus Explode. Getting something to blow up would be easier than trying to fix it, and with the knowledge from the cataclysm we should know exactly what is wrong with the Mega-Nexus.

We wouldn't just blow the Nexus up, but, like I said, hold it hostage. We place our armies around it and tell the faction who wins the arc, whoever they may be, that if they want us to not blow up the Nexus, which would potentially destroy what was left of Nyroth, they have to split the arc-winning rewards with us.

This is one crazy ass plan, and I'm not even sure if I would support it if it became an option, but it would allow us to actually make gains equal to that of winning an arc if we did it successfully.
Edited by 501st Big Mike, Dec 14 2014, 11:00 AM.
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Dec 14 2014, 07:04 AM
I am all for getting a little payback at the rest of the factions for Krocylea, taking a piece of Yoroth would just be icing on the cake. I also agree with what is being said here, our strategy should be to divide and conquer, inflicting as much damage as possible with the forces we have. If we do end up getting access to Yoroth, it would be an awful shame if something were to happen to the nexus there. An awful shame indeed... *moustache twirl*
I totally just came up with one crazy ass plan. If we do manage to get into Yoroth, we hold the Mega-Nexus hostage. We used our option of speaking to the dead to learn more about the cataclysm and what caused the Mega-Nexus to fail; we could, presumably, use that knowledge to make the Mega-Nexus Explode. Getting something to blow up would be easier than trying to fix it, and with the knowledge from the cataclysm we should know exactly what is wrong with the Mega-Nexus.

We wouldn't just blow the Nexus up, but, like I said, hold it hostage. We place our armies around it and tell the faction who wins the arc, whoever they may be, that if they want us to not blow up the Nexus, which would potentially destroy what was left of Nyroth, they have to split the arc-winning rewards with us.

This is one crazy ass plan, and I'm even sure if I would support it if it became an option, but it would allow us to actually make gains equal to that of winning an arc if we did it successfully.
This is one bat-shit crazy plan, and the League would Sanction us forever if we did it, but this could totally work. We wouldn't be rolling to fix the Nexus (which would require a massive Research score we don't have) We'd be trying to detonate it (because we know what went wrong this would be a cakewalk, there shouldn't even BE a Research Roll on it. And if there is, it will be absolutely Minuscule) Our Armies could hold off any attack long enough for us to Detonate it and obliterate it if they dared. SI would never be allowed to gain favor ever again if we did something like this (Summoning the Avatar of War and threatening to Obliterate a Continent is against absolutely EVERYTHING the League stands for) but this could seriously give us that reward we would otherwise have been denied.

I wouldn't vote for it on principle but damn that would be one freaking Massive Psycho Button.
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Dec 14 2014, 07:04 AM
I am all for getting a little payback at the rest of the factions for Krocylea, taking a piece of Yoroth would just be icing on the cake. I also agree with what is being said here, our strategy should be to divide and conquer, inflicting as much damage as possible with the forces we have. If we do end up getting access to Yoroth, it would be an awful shame if something were to happen to the nexus there. An awful shame indeed... *moustache twirl*
I totally just came up with one crazy ass plan. If we do manage to get into Yoroth, we hold the Mega-Nexus hostage. We used our option of speaking to the dead to learn more about the cataclysm and what caused the Mega-Nexus to fail; we could, presumably, use that knowledge to make the Mega-Nexus Explode. Getting something to blow up would be easier than trying to fix it, and with the knowledge from the cataclysm we should know exactly what is wrong with the Mega-Nexus.

We wouldn't just blow the Nexus up, but, like I said, hold it hostage. We place our armies around it and tell the faction who wins the arc, whoever they may be, that if they want us to not blow up the Nexus, which would potentially destroy what was left of Nyroth, they have to split the arc-winning rewards with us.

This is one crazy ass plan, and I'm even sure if I would support it if it became an option, but it would allow us to actually make gains equal to that of winning an arc if we did it successfully.
This is one bat-shit crazy plan, and the League would Sanction us forever if we did it, but this could totally work. ...SI would never be allowed to gain favor ever again if we did something like this (Summoning the Avatar of War and threatening to Obliterate a Continent is against absolutely EVERYTHING the League stands for) but this could seriously give us that reward we would otherwise have been denied.

I wouldn't vote for it on principle but damn that would be one freaking Massive Psycho Button.
A way to avoid or lessen the sanctions from the League: don't leave the Mega-Nexus until they decide what the sanctions will be.
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It sounds like people are pretty keen on a RAMPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE through Neritum and Daeyux as the opening course. Maybe while the other factions putter about on their own islands.

Maybe we could start by saying that the peace edict has been lifted, but that Yoroth is off-limits a bit longer while the League does a survey mission to see what's inside. Give each faction two island revisits, both very simple. Put it all into a single lore update, maybe: really, it's just a tying up of loose ends. That could be rolled out today or tomorrow.

Then, Yoroth. The Yoroth faction could decide who they want to bring along. SI could position itself to block entrance to Yoroth. (If the Yoroth faction complains that the League should provide an escort, Kolminye will tell them, "What, do you want me to pack a lunch for you, too?") SI could also just straight up attack one of the other factions. The trick would be choosing a target that the other two will not necessarily rush to defend.
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Dec 14 2014, 10:10 AM
I totally just came up with one crazy ass plan. If we do manage to get into Yoroth, we hold the Mega-Nexus hostage. We used our option of speaking to the dead to learn more about the cataclysm and what caused the Mega-Nexus to fail; we could, presumably, use that knowledge to make the Mega-Nexus Explode. Getting something to blow up would be easier than trying to fix it, and with the knowledge from the cataclysm we should know exactly what is wrong with the Mega-Nexus.

We wouldn't just blow the Nexus up, but, like I said, hold it hostage. We place our armies around it and tell the faction who wins the arc, whoever they may be, that if they want us to not blow up the Nexus, which would potentially destroy what was left of Nyroth, they have to split the arc-winning rewards with us.

This is one crazy ass plan, and I'm not even sure if I would support it if it became an option, but it would allow us to actually make gains equal to that of winning an arc if we did it successfully.
I like the general idea, but if we threaten with a rune war cataclysm i expect piltovian airships with zaunite zeppelins bringing in demacian and noxian soldiers within hours.
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Dec 14 2014, 11:00 AM
It sounds like people are pretty keen on a RAMPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE through Neritum and Daeyux as the opening course. Maybe while the other factions putter about on their own islands.

Maybe we could start by saying that the peace edict has been lifted, but that Yoroth is off-limits a bit longer while the League does a survey mission to see what's inside. Give each faction two island revisits, both very simple. Put it all into a single lore update, maybe: really, it's just a tying up of loose ends. That could be rolled out today or tomorrow.

Then, Yoroth. The Yoroth faction could decide who they want to bring along. SI could position itself to block entrance to Yoroth. (If the Yoroth faction complains that the League should provide an escort, Kolminye will tell them, "What, do you want me to pack a lunch for you, too?") SI could also just straight up attack one of the other factions. The trick would be choosing a target that the other two will not necessarily rush to defend.
Can our second island be the same as bilgewaters second? ;) a lot of us wanted to go for a divide and conquer too
Edited by StormRevolver, Dec 14 2014, 11:38 AM.
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Dec 14 2014, 11:00 AM
It sounds like people are pretty keen on a RAMPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGE through Neritum and Daeyux as the opening course. Maybe while the other factions putter about on their own islands.

Maybe we could start by saying that the peace edict has been lifted, but that Yoroth is off-limits a bit longer while the League does a survey mission to see what's inside. Give each faction two island revisits, both very simple. Put it all into a single lore update, maybe: really, it's just a tying up of loose ends. That could be rolled out today or tomorrow.

Then, Yoroth. The Yoroth faction could decide who they want to bring along. SI could position itself to block entrance to Yoroth. (If the Yoroth faction complains that the League should provide an escort, Kolminye will tell them, "What, do you want me to pack a lunch for you, too?") SI could also just straight up attack one of the other factions. The trick would be choosing a target that the other two will not necessarily rush to defend.
The trick would be not just who we attack, but where and why. We could attack the faction that wins tournament and gets Yoroth, thereby granting us control over it. Or use my idea (not the ultra-psycho one that even I doubt I would support, the first one) ambush them and try to get them to give us access to it. This would be slightly nicer, as we would be giving them a chance to avoid getting slaughtered, but would be riskier cause they might try to team up with the other 2 factions afterwards and attack us.

We could also go for Stormhaven. It's the staging point for all of Valoran to get to Nyroth, and controlling it would put a stranglehold on access to the continent. Another option would be to attack the faction in second place in tournament and control the region they won. Yet another choice would be to attack one of the other factions simply to remove any potential military threats against us. This could mean going for Bilgewater's army (it's the only one that's not in ruins after Krocylea) to take out the biggest threat first, or going after Freljord/Ionia to raise 1/3 of their army for our own to get us prepped up for fighting Bilgewater later.

My preference would be to ambush the faction that gets Yoroth, slaughter them, and take the region for ourselves (is there a way where one army can surround the other to make it impossible for casualties to retreat?). The arc is ending very, very fast and exploring Yoroth would get us some of the quickest gains. It would also take one opposing army out of the picture for any other acts we want to do after this. From there, I would say we take Stormhaven after we slaughter that army and create our stranglehold on Nyroth.

The other option I like is ambush Bilgewater's army (this option would essentially be the same as one above if Bilge wins tournament) to take out the only faction that has a prayer's chance of putting up a decent fight against us. From there we could force our way into Yoroth and take Stormhaven with ease. Actually, I'm going to change my stance and say that I prefer this option the most, and the one above is my second choice.
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Dec 14 2014, 11:36 AM
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I totally just came up with one crazy ass plan. If we do manage to get into Yoroth, we hold the Mega-Nexus hostage. We used our option of speaking to the dead to learn more about the cataclysm and what caused the Mega-Nexus to fail; we could, presumably, use that knowledge to make the Mega-Nexus Explode. Getting something to blow up would be easier than trying to fix it, and with the knowledge from the cataclysm we should know exactly what is wrong with the Mega-Nexus.

We wouldn't just blow the Nexus up, but, like I said, hold it hostage. We place our armies around it and tell the faction who wins the arc, whoever they may be, that if they want us to not blow up the Nexus, which would potentially destroy what was left of Nyroth, they have to split the arc-winning rewards with us.

This is one crazy ass plan, and I'm not even sure if I would support it if it became an option, but it would allow us to actually make gains equal to that of winning an arc if we did it successfully.
I like the general idea, but if we threaten with a rune war cataclysm i expect piltovian airships with zaunite zeppelins bringing in demacian and noxian soldiers within hours.
Like I said, it's crazy as hell option that even I, the guy that came up with it, am not sure that I would support it. But, in the situation you describe, the idea would be that if Valoran starts sending those kinds of things we would instantly blow up Mega-Nexus and see how much damage the resulting destruction does to the living vs the dead. The whole idea of holding the Nexus hostage is that if you start trying to fight us, you can't win so back off.
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