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Lore Event IV
Topic Started: Dec 16 2014, 02:36 AM (1,755 Views)
CupcakeTrap
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Vote: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1WH0Aw2eRfFh2sgfnfyY0TywnyVeSM_VAaHi3SvlxoZQ/viewform?usp=send_form
Results so far: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1WH0Aw2eRfFh2sgfnfyY0TywnyVeSM_VAaHi3SvlxoZQ/viewanalytics


UPDATE: Here's the outcome.
Link: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lqYtHl47_cv843TsqAgmdZ6za-G_7V8Wis95LbUkQbY/edit?usp=sharing

tl;dr: +25 Strength, no MIAs. SI is now at 115 Strength. Bilgewater is at 71. Ionia is at 47. The Freljord is at 32.
Edited by CupcakeTrap, Dec 20 2014, 02:58 AM.
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Skoonie
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It's conquering time!

EDIT: for Neritum, anyway.
Edited by Skoonie, Dec 16 2014, 05:35 AM.
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drmigit2
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I think we should make the Liches our ally. We would be throwing military away otherwise.
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Zondervain
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I personally think we should overthrow the liches, because why on runeterra would we ever unite with such a minor faction?
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Skoonie
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Zondervain
Dec 16 2014, 05:25 AM
I personally think we should overthrow the liches, because why on runeterra would we ever unite with such a minor faction?
Because it means we don't have waste time and resources conquering them while taking out the undead around the nexus AND potentially waging war with everyone else. Our military is one of the very few things keeping us in this game right now. Fighting too many enemies will be the death of us. Besides, the liches have already shown they're willing to cooperate for now. Better to accept their help now and come back to overthrowing them at a later date when we don't have so much on our plate.
Edited by Skoonie, Dec 16 2014, 05:38 AM.
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Dec 16 2014, 05:33 AM
Zondervain
Dec 16 2014, 05:25 AM
I personally think we should overthrow the liches, because why on runeterra would we ever unite with such a minor faction?
Because it means we don't have waste time and resources conquering them while taking out the undead around the nexus AND potentially waging war with everyone else. Our military is one of the very few things keeping us in this game right now. Fighting too many enemies will be the death of us. Besides, the liches have already shown they're willing to cooperate for now. Better to accept their help now and come back to overthrowing them at a later date when we don't have so much on our plate.
Implying that we'll have an option to come back. This is the final Lore Event of the arc. We're not going to come back here this arc. We're basically putting ourselves on auto-pilot from here on out, after the 22nd. Would it be nice to come back? Of course it would. But we aren't guaranteed that.
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because we dont gain anything by overthrowing them, and we need more intelligent stuff in our faction :) About the cant raise undeads, i would like to say that we should be able to collet the souls -> could yield units that we have to reinforce back from 0. aka it could improve our maximum military.
Edited by StormRevolver, Dec 16 2014, 05:45 AM.
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Kaynunot
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The Liches of Daeyux has already been said to have been the Safer Option but also the one that leaves us with less resources from the Island. I agree with leaving them there though because A) It's not like we need the island desperately under our absolute control anyway B) We'd be throwing away some of our military to kill them and it's not like we can bring them back as Lich Units (if we could I'd totally want to do that) and C) As much Military as we have I don't think we should risk it unnecessarily.

For Neritum I really don't know, I want to hold off my vote for a bit and see what people make for arguments on either killing them or enslaving them. I think for Neritum we should send Mordekaiser (HE FEEDS ON THEIR SUFFERING) and for Daeyux we send Hecarim (TRAMPLING THROUGH THEIR BONES, REAPING THROUGH THEIR RANKS, OVER THE FIELDS WE GO, STOMPING ALL THE WAY!)
Edited by Kaynunot, Dec 16 2014, 06:50 AM.
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StormRevolver
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We should send them both to neritum if we want a bigger army, and slay them all. That seems like the best way to gain the most army with minimal losses.

sidenote: why would we loose the champions to MIA in a combat situation if they dont get damage? it seems a bit redundant that we can loose them in both battle and a random roll
Edited by StormRevolver, Dec 16 2014, 07:00 AM.
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silencermage
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I think we should ally with the liches and try and have them take control of our forces once we eventually leave nyroth. I think we could give them the ideas of what we want and have them establish a second SI type stronghold once they swear loyalty to us.
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Kaynunot
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Okay, I've made up my mind: Send Mordekaiser to Neritum, and subjugate the people. Send Hecarim to Daeyux and ally with the Liches. This is the least risky to our armies and, considering the other options are Epic level, I don't think we should do them. It's also the Least Psycho of our options so bonus points for foreign relations maybe?
Edited by Kaynunot, Dec 16 2014, 08:44 AM.
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silencermage
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Actually subjugating them may let us willingly convert them to undead if we ever come back to this =p
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Kaynunot
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Dec 16 2014, 09:00 AM
Actually subjugating them may let us willingly convert them to undead if we ever come back to this =P
I consider it unlikely unless we have people teaching them the Truths of Undeath, but it's a very interesting possibility lore-wise.
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501st Big Mike
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For Daeyux, I am all for allying with the liches. Having some allies creates more potential for us. Then comes Neritum, I am pretty split on this one. On one hand, those undead soldiers we raise up could be very useful if we are going to be making some huge military moves, but on the other hand, there is more potential in the living subjects to give us other boosts.

As for the military challenges, since their doesn't seem to be much to gain by attacking liches and adding on the additional risks. However, if you remember from Krocylea an epic NPC army was about 60 strength, so I don't think Neritum would make much difference in the major vs epic challenge.
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501st Big Mike
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Just wondering something, we do get to send our full army with Aatrox to both islands, right? It's not like we have to split our army in half and if we send a champ to one island they can't go to the other?
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ChroniclerC
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I would actually like to take the lesser options on both ends, because I want to gloat.

I imagine an afterscene where the liches and other intelligent undead of Daeyux are welcomed with open arms into the nation of the Shadow Isles, "Behold how we treat those who have embraced the afterlife. This is what we sought on Krocylea," while the enslaved living of Neritum are shown in miserable conditions, "And this is what you would have us do instead. By your request, they suffer. Long may 'peace' prevail."
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StormRevolver
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meh why doesnt people want to send both champions? they improve the rewards as it was written, and with a huge margin too
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Skoonie
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Can someone give a summary of what happened on Neritum? I didn't see it in the recaps I read at all, and I'm a bit lost on what to actually do with the people on that island. I voted to slaughter them all since it seemed to be the popular opinion, but I'm willing to change my mind when I get some more information about the place.
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Kaynunot
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StormRevolver
Dec 16 2014, 11:59 AM
meh why doesnt people want to send both champions? they improve the rewards as it was written, and with a huge margin too

I think it may be a mis-communication but the impression I'm getting is we're splitting our army for both islands. So we don't want to send both at one and have no one lead the other one. I also think it's more appropriate to send Mordekaiser to Neritum because he'll feed on their Misery and Agony (It's Mordekaiser) and send Hecarim to Daeyux (Because we need him to Slaughter)
Skoonie
Dec 16 2014, 12:34 PM
Can someone give a summary of what happened on Neritum? I didn't see it in the recaps I read at all, and I'm a bit lost on what to actually do with the people on that island. I voted to slaughter them all since it seemed to be the popular opinion, but I'm willing to change my mind when I get some more information about the place.

Basically at Neritum the citizens did a rebellion or something and things were insane, we didn't want to stay after killing Krius because it was really dangerous so we just took his gauntlet and left. I'm assuming the citizens kinda rebelled and are now Free, so that's why this is a Military Challenge in the first place.
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Dec 16 2014, 12:57 PM
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Dec 16 2014, 11:59 AM
meh why doesnt people want to send both champions? they improve the rewards as it was written, and with a huge margin too

I think it may be a mis-communication but the impression I'm getting is we're splitting our army for both islands. So we don't want to send both at one and have no one lead the other one. I also think it's more appropriate to send Mordekaiser to Neritum because he'll feed on their Misery and Agony (It's Mordekaiser) and send Hecarim to Daeyux (Because we need him to Slaughter)
Skoonie
Dec 16 2014, 12:34 PM
Can someone give a summary of what happened on Neritum? I didn't see it in the recaps I read at all, and I'm a bit lost on what to actually do with the people on that island. I voted to slaughter them all since it seemed to be the popular opinion, but I'm willing to change my mind when I get some more information about the place.

Basically at Neritum the citizens did a rebellion or something and things were insane, we didn't want to stay after killing Krius because it was really dangerous so we just took his gauntlet and left. I'm assuming the citizens kinda rebelled and are now Free, so that's why this is a Military Challenge in the first place.
Ah, I see. Yeah, send in Morde to beat the rebellion out of them, while Hec roflstomps the remaining dudes at the Nexus over in Daeyux and cements our alliance with the Lichs that rule it. Also, I'm assuming we're sending in Aatrox with Morde to ensure we don't lose too many units to Neritum's remaining forces.
Edited by Skoonie, Dec 16 2014, 01:14 PM.
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