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| Topic Started: Jan 9 2015, 07:30 PM (3,125 Views) | |
| 501st Big Mike | Jan 20 2015, 02:30 PM Post #61 |
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Lol, yep. My summoner bio has it so Michelus Magnus was dying and a summoner of the Shadow Isles came by and "healed" him by making most of his body undead. As a result of the physical and mental strain of being part undead he suffers psychological problems when he deals with necromancy. This is, imo, a good example of how to make it so SI can be more of a "good guy,", but still keep its identity as the creepy, death faction. They can do things that no other nation can, but it results in some side-effects. I was thinking about what the Shadow Isles would become after Nyroth. I am pretty sure it won't be in the next arc, and will likely be shelved from an active faction for a while, it was kinda a nightmare how things turned out with it (although, that is kinda appropriate when you think about it). While its not active, it could still be a force in lore and world systems. With the few final decisions of this arc, we can set up how the SI would generally act as a force in lore and world systems. I think that SI needs to retain the creepy and mysterious aspects of it, even if it creates an intelligent society and becomes the "good guy" faction. Obviously, if SI didn't head in that direction it would still retain the mysterious and creepiness in it. From what I see, SI can go in 3 different paths for its future (with each path having multiple variations of its specifics). 1 is to go the full military overlords. We build up a massive army in Korag (Aklothos could be part of this, or could not be involved) and rely on overwhelming power to get what we want. We won't be improving any relations with the other factions, but at the same time the other factions due to seem to really dislike us already. This kills off the more intelligent society option, at least for the time being, and makes it hard to be a more "good guy" faction. But, it helps make it so that we don't have to care how the other factions think of us; we would be a MAJOR world power (With our current military already being essentially as large as Zaun's or Demacia's, buffing it places us as the strongest military force in Runeterra) and people would have to respect us. Some would fight against us, and others might decide to work with the guys with the big guns. 2 is try and make an intelligent society and go "good guy" faction. It would certainly make it easier for us to deal with other factions, and make our lore events more interesting than "SI launches massive attack, it kills a lot of its enemies but its army takes huge casualties, luckily it can easily replenish its forces and raise up the dead from enemy army." (literally every lore event for SI seemed to go this way). This has some really nice upsides to it, and certainly would help avoid a lot of the problems that SI both had and created this arc, but it also has some key downsides. Even though it would be easier to have relations with other factions, they still won't really like us for the time being (would take a while to change how they view us). It would also still leave SI weak in-game without a large in-universe power to compensate. 3 is make the intelligent society and not go good guy. This could variate from trying to force death and undeath onto other nations (evil), or simply focusing on advancing undeath itself (neutral). The evil variation would be harder to do without an overpowered army that the 1st option gives, as it does seem that the factions like to unite against us, but would still be doable. The neutral variation could have some interesting lore results. An idea I had for it is SI could offer to help other nations with situations, for a price. If a nation was being attacked it could turn to Mordekaiser or Hecarim to send reinforcements, but have to give up something rather large in return and it would have some risks (as in there is a slight chance that Morde/Hecarim do some dmg to their side before leaving). They could also turn to Eve or Elise to do some espionage or assassinations of some kind. Maybe even get Karthus and Yorick involved with a deal or two for some special situations. |
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| silencermage | Jan 20 2015, 05:24 PM Post #62 |
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I opt for option 2 or 3 =D |
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| ChroniclerC | Jan 22 2015, 12:56 AM Post #63 |
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I also like 2 and 3. I find a delicious irony in an undead caste system that would pit rank-and-file, zero-right SI ghouls against rank-and-file, zero-rights Demacian footmen. Maybe my headcannon is pulling inspiration a bit from Magic: the Gathering's revived Phyrexia, and a touch from Warcraft. Edited by ChroniclerC, Jan 22 2015, 12:57 AM.
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| ChroniclerC | Jan 26 2015, 02:55 AM Post #64 |
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One more side-thought for the pile. I know we aren't talking about the Void anymore, but just wanna toss this out somewhere. Perhaps instead of "The Void" as the faction, we spin it as Icathia. As in the mortals and monsters that spend most of their time on Runterra. Rather than the fathomless depths of the true Void, it merely represents what forces (cultists, voidlings, various void-born clans) are already here, can be called upon on short notice, or are in reliable contact. The Void may be an infinite well of horrors, but what they have on-hand lurking in Icathia at any given moment (when they're not prepping for something crazy like Discord) is measurable and, more importantly, reasonably beatable. "Seal the portal" and all that nonsense. |
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| StormRevolver | Jan 30 2015, 02:16 AM Post #65 |
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soo i just read bilge's lore event but isnt it basicaly going against the league ruling? i would expect a noxian-demacian delegate after a breach like that, not just a yea we dont like you that much anymore.
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| Kaynunot | Jan 30 2015, 04:14 AM Post #66 |
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Hey Cupcake, I noticed the Bilgewater event and... I think you forgot that Shadow Isles is going to be handing out in Korag or Monsku for the Soul Harvest, so what's going on with that?
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| StormRevolver | Jan 30 2015, 04:41 AM Post #67 |
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and thats the only option they get? what about the trade rights? their option(s) seem a limited somehow. would be interesting to see some options for what they do with stormhaven too. its on the mainland.
Edited by StormRevolver, Jan 30 2015, 04:43 AM.
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| CupcakeTrap | Jan 30 2015, 11:36 AM Post #68 |
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…hey, that's a good idea. I might slip that into the end-of-arc poll.
Well, the emigration wouldn't be happening until after Lore Event VI; right now, they can't even set foot on the mainland.
I probably should have explained that more clearly. If Ionia wins, the League will give it authority over the mainland. It would probably say that it wants to start a new Nyrothian government and bring together all of Nyroth's disparate peoples. If these Nyrothians formed a Northern Confederation and said "yeah, we're not going to form a government with all those southern wackos", Ionia would not be happy. The terms of Ionia's mandate might (still need to work this out, but it's not like anyone's sure in-universe, either) allow it to deploy troops and force the dissolution of the Northern Confederation. But that would be a pretty…difficult move for Ionia to make, given its history. It could ask the League to deploy troops, but it's pretty clear that League would say no—it's Ionia's problem now. (That's not certain either; maybe the League really wants Nyroth shoehorned into a pan-continental and dysfunctional government.) It could ask the League to sanction Bilgewater for participating in this scheme. It's not clear how that would play out. It would depend on what the other member-states thought. If it pressed the issue, Ionia would look like a bully. At any rate, Bilgewater might get chastised or penalized if Ionia convinces the others to do so, but they're not going to kick Bilgewater out of the League, or take away their emissary appointment. Krocylea was an example of where the League would put its foot down—casting leyline spells one "abracadabra" short of "you are now ejected from the League seriously did you not watch the orientation movie about why we created this thing in the first place" Rune Wars magic on top of an unstable nexus as part of a clash of four Runeterran factions after a Void rift, that has to STOP. Both Noxus and Demacia agreed, and Kolminye (presumably) convinced them to deploy jointly to emphatically demonstrate that the League was of one mind about this. That wouldn't happen here.
It's funny; I was just thinking about this yesterday, when designing the new draft of World Systems. I think it's pretty likely that in-universe it's called "Icathia". As part of the general transition away from Zerg-Void, I'm also mentally revising my image of Icathia from "sea of Voidlings" to "spooky Void-haunted city". |
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| 501st Big Mike | Jan 30 2015, 11:52 PM Post #69 |
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Would bilge's forces be with the confederation? That does have a significant impact of what would happen should Ionia press the issue to disband it. With Bilge's forces, that would be a difficult task, but without bilge's forces, things get really easy, at least from a military standpoint. Politically it could be hard for Ionia to come out not looking like a bully if they attacked the Norther confederation without Bilge's troops. Then again, without bilge there, Ionia could ask SI to help clear them out so it didn't look like they were involved, thereby saving their reputation (but that is REALLY against what Ionia is meant to stand for, an under the table deal with the undead to slaughter people). Any chance Ionia could use its ninja assassins/espionage force to undermine the Northern Confederation? If they covertly managed to disrupt their operations, they newly formed and relatively weak confederation could crumble. Could be along the lines of sabotaging attempts build or produce anything. Might also work if they destroyed something or assassinated someone and framed one of members of the confederation (ex: kill the leader from Emain Ablach and make it appear as though someone from Avalon did it). Would be an effective way to ruin the unanimity of the confederation and get them to fight each other. With the political structure destabilized, Ionia could come in end the fighting and force the sub-factions of Nyroth to obey their rules. |
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| StormRevolver | Jan 31 2015, 04:52 AM Post #70 |
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why would it be against what Ionia stands for? With the ninjas, and master diplomacy, subterfuge and misdirection is all part of it. I think ionia is the kind of place that would dirty its hands without a second tought for a "greater good" |
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| Kaynunot | Jan 31 2015, 05:45 AM Post #71 |
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Kuronan can't help but get into a coughing fit. You swear you can hear him mutter 'Kinkou' before resuming the fit for several more moments. "Oh um... Excuse me." |
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| 501st Big Mike | Jan 31 2015, 09:42 AM Post #72 |
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Ionia trying to end the Northern Confederation wouldn't be about the "greater good." Overall, Nyroth would be relatively ok with or without the confederation. Trying to end it would be about maintaining Ionia's control of the mainland, and trying to save face. That's why trying to force the Nyrothians out of the confederation would make Ionia look like bullies. If forcing people out was about greater good and cosmic balance, most of Valoran wouldn't have a problem with it or view Ionia as a bully. But, if forcing the confederation to end was about wanting to maintain control and a show of power, which it is in this case, Ionia looks like bullies. Asking SI to drive them out by slaughtering a bunch of people so they could keep control is not something that Ionia is meant to stand for. Of course, the Ionian players may consider it worth, so long as it doesn't come out that they were involved, but its unlikely. |
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| StormRevolver | Jan 31 2015, 11:27 AM Post #73 |
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"greater good" is always in the eyes of the beholder. Lets say they want the nyrothians to unify so dont exclude the others, and they ask si to scare/haunt/kill some people so they join up with the others. It all depends on how you look at it and what exactly they ask. |
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| 501st Big Mike | Jan 31 2015, 06:38 PM Post #74 |
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Uh, what? The Ionians are trying to stop the Northern Confederation from unifying. You're describing some weird scenario where Ionia tries to strengthen the Northern Confederation. |
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| Xero the Emperor | Jan 31 2015, 09:35 PM Post #75 |
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Hey, sorry guys just noticed this event. I think we have probably strayed from the original topic. I like Big Mike's 3rd option for the Isles. More specifically, for our first choice if we're ever going to have the option not to be the "big army kill everything" faction we need more intelligent undead. We need Monsku to round us out. Now hear me out here, we have no upcoming wars that I can see. So we can afford to scale down our military might. Maybe sacrifice them to the horrible horror. Hear the horror out. See what the horror wants. What the horror can do. I'm not saying to side with it, but we at least need to hear what it has to "say" before we outright dismiss it. |
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| StormRevolver | Feb 1 2015, 02:43 AM Post #76 |
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again it depends how you think. putting the other guys into the federation too will make the whole northern thing become null and became a nyrothian federation, and can give ionia more controll because they wont be that unified, and can move their pawns into positions more easily. Again this depends what ionia wants from nyroth. Usualy gaining controll from the inside is better than trying to destroy it from the outside. Edited by StormRevolver, Feb 1 2015, 05:40 AM.
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| StormRevolver | Feb 1 2015, 02:44 AM Post #77 |
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it wont say nothing more than "gimme souls i gib you powa" we should banish it i think
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| silencermage | Feb 1 2015, 09:52 AM Post #78 |
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I think SI should stop focusing on getting powerful strength wise and pursue other means to victory strength didn't really get us anywhere this arc. |
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| RednaxelaKor | Feb 2 2015, 10:17 AM Post #79 |
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Since everything military we've attempted has blown up in our faces, I feel it's a great time to learn as much as we can from this land. These souls are available exclusively to us, and, depending on what we find out from the intelligent souls of Monsku, we can use that in our negotiations with other Factions. Zaun looks like the most likely Faction to be interested in this information, and an alliance with them will boost our status significantly. As far as the creature from another dimension is concerned, I would caution against just sending it away. Let's at least attempt to communicate with it. If all it can offer us is more military strength, we can dismiss it then. Because nothing we have done has worked thus far, let's try and grab as much knowledge as we can. |
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we should banish it i think 
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