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DFG is going to be removed
Topic Started: Jan 14 2015, 10:47 AM (1,946 Views)
LightPhyXer
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AD TF will become the new thing

Still blow up people in 1 stun, don't care how! Too bad they nerfed ranged jungle with the soft reset cap cut in half.
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drmigit2
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Matsokune
Jan 14 2015, 10:12 PM
I know some TF builds will suffer for sure, but I'd like to think he's still kinda strong.
TF needs lichbane more than DFG, but he still REALLY loves DFG. Won't be a critical loss (like with veigar), but it will be unfortunate and I can see him needing a buff or two after it gets removed.
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TerraBooma
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It was core on the way I played Annie, I hope she gets some buffs
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Kaynunot
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Sodaman64
Jan 14 2015, 07:30 PM
I'm not really that sad to see it go If I'm honest. It just promotes unhealthy and toxic play styles. Cause I mean yeah it's hilarious to DFG someone then watch them pop but it just makes whoever got DFG'ed go "We'll fuck me I stepped an inch to close and got hit with half of that mage's rotation, but still got exploded. That's fun"
Honestly, I gotta say I'm glad to see DFG go, on some Champions it was absolutely Retarded (looking at you Fizz) and it's removal is not something I'm going to miss, though now I have to wonder if Rylai will replace it or if people will find other items instead? with the 100-0 Deletion getting nerfed on certain Champions, will people be going for more Utility?

Also I have to say Riot should keep Mordekaiser's Ult in the Rework, but buff it's Rank 1 Damage because seriously, Rank 1 is so fucking pathetic it's sad (Every time I have all-ined at 6 as Mordekaiser, if my full rotation didn't kill them then they would walk away, Children of the Grave only does enough damage to cancel Regen and that's about it. Maybe add a Damage Amplifier on it as well?)
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drmigit2
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TerraBooma
Jan 15 2015, 02:32 PM
It was core on the way I played Annie, I hope she gets some buffs
Buffing Annie is the worst possible thing Riot could do. When Annie is super strong, the game is pretty much unplayable. She has all the problems that Morde and Ryze have X10000. You don't even need to land something like event horizon to delete people with Annie. Riot should never ever ever buff Annie, the risk of her being dominant is just wayyyyy too high.
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drmigit2
Jan 15 2015, 05:00 PM
She has all the problems that Morde and Ryze have X10000.
Fixed that for you. Mordekaiser is weak as fuck right now in lane, he only becomes a problem if he gets to Full Build which takes like 30 minutes even if you feed him. Plus he's pure damage and beefiness, he's absolute garbage compared to Annie and Ryze because AT LEAST THEY CAN CC PEOPLE!
Edited by Kaynunot, Jan 15 2015, 05:26 PM.
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drmigit2
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Jan 15 2015, 05:10 PM
drmigit2
Jan 15 2015, 05:00 PM
She has all the problems that Morde and Ryze have X10000.
Fixed that for you. Mordekaiser is weak as fuck right now in lane, he only becomes a problem if he gets to Full Build which takes like 30 minutes even if you feed him. Plus he's pure damage and beefiness, he's absolute garbage compared to Annie and Ryze because AT LEAST THEY CAN CC PEOPLE!
Morde will never be buffed by Riot because of his kit. Simply put, if Morde is strong then good luck laning against him because he will just push you into oblivion, and deal non-interactive instant damage that will make you wish you invested time into DOTA2 instead of league. Riot actually came out and commented on Morde's situation when they announced the DFG removal. I'm paraphrasing but Morde probably won't get a buff despite relying on DFG because of how insane his E currently is. Basically Riot is comfortable Olafing Morde until they eventually rework him because they dislike his kit. I don't really blame them, personally.
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rinsujo
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Yeah, Morde is in a similar spot as Yorick and Warwick - Their kits are considered toxic, so Riot is specifically nerfing them into the ground until they can get around to reworking them. There's talk that the exact same thing is why Jungle Alistar has been targeted too. Same excuse they're using on Sona. It all boils down to "There aren't many ways to counterplay against these champs in lane, so they're considered toxic, and we're nerfing the crap out of them because if they were anywhere close to balanced a decent player could shut the lane down and ruin their opponent."

Basically, they're pushing onto Nasus' turf, if Nasus didn't have to worry as much about early harass.
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rinsujo
Jan 16 2015, 11:42 AM
(...) if Nasus didn't have to worry as much about early harass.
Nasus doesn't have to worry about early harass.
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rinsujo
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A good Nasus doesnt. I do.
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I am incapable of executing this, but I have been told that good players will freeze the wave near their towers, so that Nasus cannot farm safely under his own tower, and therefore must risk harass and ganks in order to stack his Q. The alternative is to farm with Spirit Fire and delay the Q stack until he builds Frozen Heart or Spirit Visage (depending on whether he's being harassed with Physical or Magical), but early penetration items can still put damage onto him.

Obviously the longer the game goes on, the more time Nasus has to catch up and stack Q, so all he really needs is patience and hope the game doesn't end before he farms his 3-4 core items and his 400 stacks.
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rinsujo
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Old McNasus had a farm.
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and on this farm he had some stacks.
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with a qq here and a qq there, here a q, there a q, everywhere a qq.
Old McNasus had a farm.
qqqqq.

Baah baah Nasus, Have you any power?
No sir, No sir, wait a half an hour.

There was a joke thread on the boards. I'm not this clever on my own XD
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rinsujo
Jan 16 2015, 09:15 PM
Old McNasus had a farm.
qqqqq
and on this farm he had some stacks.
qqqqq
with a qq here and a qq there, here a q, there a q, everywhere a qq.
Old McNasus had a farm.
qqqqq.

Baah baah Nasus, Have you any power?
No sir, No sir, wait a half an hour.

There was a joke thread on the boards. I'm not this clever on my own XD
That is a glorious parody, though.

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darkomega242
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Oh DFGaren.


RIP my sweet prince.
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drmigit2
Jan 15 2015, 10:01 PM
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Jan 15 2015, 05:10 PM
drmigit2
Jan 15 2015, 05:00 PM
She has all the problems that Morde and Ryze have X10000.
Fixed that for you. Mordekaiser is weak as fuck right now in lane, he only becomes a problem if he gets to Full Build which takes like 30 minutes even if you feed him. Plus he's pure damage and beefiness, he's absolute garbage compared to Annie and Ryze because AT LEAST THEY CAN CC PEOPLE!
Morde will never be buffed by Riot because of his kit. Simply put, if Morde is strong then good luck laning against him because he will just push you into oblivion, and deal non-interactive instant damage that will make you wish you invested time into DOTA2 instead of league. Riot actually came out and commented on Morde's situation when they announced the DFG removal. I'm paraphrasing but Morde probably won't get a buff despite relying on DFG because of how insane his E currently is. Basically Riot is comfortable Olafing Morde until they eventually rework him because they dislike his kit. I don't really blame them, personally.
Finally decided to reply to this... The problem with this is it's One Spell in Morde's kit that just has ALL THE SCALING and ALL THE BASE DAMAGE on it. It's so powerful currently it's Mandatory to get it level 1, there is no way to argue it, Q is complete shit and in some scenarios you don't even get it level 4. If Riot stop saying 'Mordekaiser E is OP as fuck, we're not touching him!' They could instead opt to nerf E, increase Q and W base damage (which you have to be up-close to deal) and increase level 6 Mordekaiser Ult damage (as it's currently only enough passive damage to get cancelled out by a Health Potion)

He's overpowered because Riot is too lazy to examine why Mordekaiser levels E primarily: Not because it insta-wins trades (that is part of it though) but because Q and W are so weak you have no choice but to level E first.
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ShadowKnight1224
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Giving him more damage wouldn't change the fact that Mordekaiser is the only champion the game with no CC (not even soft), no mobility and no utility whatsoever. If you give him enough numbers to make up for that, he becomes this incredibly binary character where if he gets within range of you, he instakills you, and if he doesn't, he's useless.
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TerraBooma
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actually Shadow, Yi also has no CC


Just saying XD

highlander DOES make up for it though
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ShadowKnight1224
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There are 9 champions with no form of CC whatsoever, but only Mordekaiser also lacks any form of utility and mobility.
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ShadowKnight1224
Jan 24 2015, 12:47 PM
There are 9 champions with no form of CC whatsoever, but only Mordekaiser also lacks any form of utility and mobility.
Yea, Mordekaiser's literal only things are Damage and being an AP Bruiser independent of Mana. If he can't do damage, he's useless in every sense.
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TerraBooma
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I heard a joke awhile back

Morde being fed depends how well fed the enemy ADC is fed
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