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Do you think Shurima vs. Zaun is the clear choice for the next arc?
Yes 11 (42.3%)
No 5 (19.2%)
Yes, but I'd rather it not be. 10 (38.5%)
Total Votes: 26
Shurima vs. Zaun: Y/N?
Topic Started: Jan 27 2015, 09:09 PM (2,654 Views)
XalkXolc
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Mostly just trying to get a feel for what the community's mood is for the next arc.
I think that Yes, it seems to make sense, but I'd really rather it not be. Something like Shurima vs. the Void. I (and some others) have some potential lore for why Zaun wouldn't pursue a war with Shurima, if anyone's interested.

(Not gonna lie though, I have an ulterior motive: I've been practicing for SHURIMA but my summoner is sworn to Zaun; also I'd have to rewrite a section of my BtB article. Y'know. Things.)
Edited by XalkXolc, Jan 27 2015, 09:11 PM.
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silencermage
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I know they'll probably be put on the back burner for awhile but I really want to try SI again with the roster we got now. I think it would go better for us now.
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Kwon Ri Sae
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Yeah I kinda dislike both rosters .-.

Zaun curbstomped us last arc, and Shurima has Azir. So... picking the lesser of two evils?
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Wizard996
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It's not like I don't enjoy the plotting of Zaunites to try to get on Azir's good side...but we have Xer'ath and Renekton with us, I doubt he'll look too kindly upon us.
Now, I can see Zaun vs Shurima vs Icathia, as just Z vs S might be a bit quick and boorish, but I simply can't see just a Shurima vs Icathia happening without Zaun. Plus, I don't believe that most non-Zaunites would accept Zaun negotiating with Azir over all the territorial claims without any bloodshed.
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I wouldn't be surprised if Void got involved too. Void always gets involved.
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ChroniclerC
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CrazyMLC
Jan 27 2015, 10:59 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if Void got involved too. Void always gets involved.
Can we just have the Void/Icathia involved from the start, rather than us them butting in halfway through?
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Kaynunot
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I'm going to be honest... I like the idea of maybe Zaun negotiating some Commerce away from itself and maybe hand the Shurima some of the lesser deposits of Pyrikhos to get them not to attack us. We are allied with Xerath and Renekton and we will never surrender them, but I think if we just stop and talk for a few moments we can work something out... Sure, Zaun is Powerful, but I am no fan of having us go to war against Shurima. This is probably because the 'New' Factions like Zaun and Bilge get all of the Veteran players, but from what I can tell most of those players would, in turn, change Shurima to be more Zaun-like/Neutral Good. Also if we get this Alliance, Demacia has to go through Shurima before attacking our Pyrikhos Mines.

I would LIKE Shurima to be in the next arc but please don't cause too much of a divide between Zaunites wanting to play the new Shurima faction compared to the ones (like me) who WANT to root for Shurima but are Honor-bound to serve Zaun.
Edited by Kaynunot, Jan 28 2015, 12:32 AM.
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ShadowKnight1224
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It's inevitable. Let's get it over with.
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XalkXolc
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Kuronan
Jan 28 2015, 12:28 AM
I would LIKE Shurima to be in the next arc but please don't cause too much of a divide between Zaunites wanting to play the new Shurima faction compared to the ones (like me) who WANT to root for Shurima but are Honor-bound to serve Zaun.
Same. As I said, this is the dilemma for a not-insignificant number of people.
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XalkXolc
Jan 28 2015, 07:40 AM
Kuronan
Jan 28 2015, 12:28 AM
I would LIKE Shurima to be in the next arc but please don't cause too much of a divide between Zaunites wanting to play the new Shurima faction compared to the ones (like me) who WANT to root for Shurima but are Honor-bound to serve Zaun.
Same. As I said, this is the dilemma for a not-insignificant number of people.
Who says such a dilemma is a bad thing?

In fact, I would argue that one of the goals of an arc should be to create as many interesting conflicts as possible. It would be foolish for Factions to pass up a conflict like this just because it creates difficult situations, which require actual decisions to be made.

If even the relatively simple choice of choosing a faction to join becomes complicated and compelling because of the relationship between those factions and the desires of the community, then that's something powerful.


tl;dr: so you'd rather not have to actually decide who to fight for in a story about the community making decisions?
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ShadowKnight1224
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For the Zaunites:

Let me play you a sad song on the world's tiniest violin.

;)
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501st Big Mike
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I would imagine that if Shurima started expanding it would eventually run into Zaun. The key word is eventually. It doesn't have to be right out of the gate that they are butting heads. Azir has a lot to do to get Shurima running again, and the land controlled by Zaun for Pyrikhos mining could easily be contested over later, once Azir gets Shurima into a stronger position.
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AbiwonKenabi
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Jan 28 2015, 10:57 AM
For the Zaunites:

Let me play you a sad song on the world's tiniest violin.

;)
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In all seriousness, I think this might help with the whole "most of the veterans go to one faction and make them the super ultra faction" problem. If everyone splits about evenly, we get active community members in roughly equal quantities on both sides.
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501st Big Mike
Jan 28 2015, 11:32 AM
I would imagine that if Shurima started expanding it would eventually run into Zaun. The key word is eventually. It doesn't have to be right out of the gate that they are butting heads. Azir has a lot to do to get Shurima running again, and the land controlled by Zaun for Pyrikhos mining could easily be contested over later, once Azir gets Shurima into a stronger position.
This reminds me of an idea I had earlier where the arc might have a short prologue where Shurima develops to the point where it's actually taken seriously as a faction and has contested land with Zaun.
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Damaster00777
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I think it should be Zaun vs. Shurima vs. *insert two other factions here*. You can totally BS reasons for other factions, like Piltover wanting the pie for themselves and not giving any to Zaun. Maybe throw Discord in so that the Void has a chance to (try to) reclaim Icathia. I dunno.
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Tofuology
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Meh, honestly, I don't really care for either of these factions, that's just me. Doesn't mean I'm against this idea though, it does have potential.
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rahh231
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Zaun could literally invade shurima and end it right now :p
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Kwon Ri Sae
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We are having more than just Shurima and Zaun as a choice for the next arc, right? At least one other option.
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Kaynunot
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CrazyMLC
Jan 28 2015, 10:45 AM
XalkXolc
Jan 28 2015, 07:40 AM
Kuronan
Jan 28 2015, 12:28 AM
I would LIKE Shurima to be in the next arc but please don't cause too much of a divide between Zaunites wanting to play the new Shurima faction compared to the ones (like me) who WANT to root for Shurima but are Honor-bound to serve Zaun.
Same. As I said, this is the dilemma for a not-insignificant number of people.
Who says such a dilemma is a bad thing?

In fact, I would argue that one of the goals of an arc should be to create as many interesting conflicts as possible. It would be foolish for Factions to pass up a conflict like this just because it creates difficult situations, which require actual decisions to be made.

If even the relatively simple choice of choosing a faction to join becomes complicated and compelling because of the relationship between those factions and the desires of the community, then that's something powerful.

This TL;DR actually came off as kinda Dickish with that choice of Quote
I think you missed the point I was trying to make... A lot of Bilgewater this faction was former Zaunites, and a lot of them HAVE expressed interest in playing Shurima but will they be made to make absolutely every decision with the intention of Full-Out War? Will Shuriman Summoners have any say in the matter?

And I wouldn't call it a Polarizing decision to some people... New Faction = Chance to Experiment with rosters that haven't been tried before. This is what Factions is MOSTLY about, but when you introduce an entirely new Faction into it, guess which one people want to play around with more since they don't know who is most optimal where in these limited rosters?

To you it seems Dynamic because Faction Decision is Compelling, but remember there's no switching sides during an arc. For me, I see it as a massive Conflict of Interest. Do I want to go try out the new Roster or stay with the faction I like in a Thematic sense? Have fun messing around or partially direct the growth of the faction I love?
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XalkXolc
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Jan 28 2015, 06:13 PM
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In fact, I would argue that one of the goals of an arc should be to create as many interesting conflicts as possible. It would be foolish for Factions to pass up a conflict like this just because it creates difficult situations, which require actual decisions to be made.

If even the relatively simple choice of choosing a faction to join becomes complicated and compelling because of the relationship between those factions and the desires of the community, then that's something powerful.

This TL;DR actually came off as kinda Dickish with that choice of Quote
I think you missed the point I was trying to make... A lot of Bilgewater this faction was former Zaunites, and a lot of them HAVE expressed interest in playing Shurima but will they be made to make absolutely every decision with the intention of Full-Out War? Will Shuriman Summoners have any say in the matter?

And I wouldn't call it a Polarizing decision to some people... New Faction = Chance to Experiment with rosters that haven't been tried before. This is what Factions is MOSTLY about, but when you introduce an entirely new Faction into it, guess which one people want to play around with more since they don't know who is most optimal where in these limited rosters?

To you it seems Dynamic because Faction Decision is Compelling, but remember there's no switching sides during an arc. For me, I see it as a massive Conflict of Interest. Do I want to go try out the new Roster or stay with the faction I like in a Thematic sense? Have fun messing around or partially direct the growth of the faction I love?

A pretty accurate representation of my (and others') issue. I really want to play the Shurima roster: it's a ton of fun, and it gives me a chance to branch out. On the other hand, I want to be able to play Jinx (especially for any Featureds :P) and more importantly, the role player in me wants to make sure that my "loyal to Zaun" summoner makes sense. (Although I did give him background in SpecOps just in case this eventually occurred; shadowy opportunists and ulterior motives are rather Zaunite, after all)

That being said, this poll isn't about telling people to think one way or another. It's more about me making sure I have time to think about what I really want out of Arc VII, and about perhaps helping plan for the next arc a bit. The feedback's been great on my end, dunno about the staff. So thanks.
Edited by XalkXolc, Jan 28 2015, 07:39 PM.
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