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| Topic Started: Jan 31 2015, 05:35 PM (646 Views) | |
| TerraBooma | Jan 31 2015, 05:35 PM Post #1 |
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Frankly I don't understand why they'd be that angry Also, CCT, it's been generally interpreted that the Northern Confederation candidates plan to rise up no matter what, that true? |
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| Wizard996 | Jan 31 2015, 06:00 PM Post #2 |
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Here's what I understand: Ionia is going to be a major authority of the mainland. So, 'our' islands would be forced to cooperate with the other islanders: Krocylea, Argyre, Schleria (noted as warmongers, fanatics, and lunatics in the explanation on the lore event), which is something they wish not to do, and they ESPECIALLY have no wish to share a joint government with them as the League would kinda force them into. They'd rather let those others squabble with themselves, while they (our group), form a unified nation that only has Bilgewater to answer to, and therefore can progress faster as a nation without more regulations and infighting. The Northern Confederation plans on seizing two of the mainland's territories and seceding. Therefore, Ionia will lose its governing grasp that is has rightfully won through the tourney. Of course, the NC has no plans on the southern half, but that kind of sticks it to them that 'we do what we want, and we don't like you.' Think about it: if you won the right to aid in governing a fractioned civilization, and half of them leave, wouldn't you be a bit upset that you lost some of your power? Also, it sets a 'bad' example to the other islands, as it shuns Ionian rule in favor of us. I can't answer for CCT, but I'm pretty sure that the NC will likely rise up with or without us, but I have no doubt they will be rather insulted if we don't join them, let alone rat them out to Ionia. |
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| Jpdaniel | Jan 31 2015, 06:11 PM Post #3 |
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((The more I think of this lore event, the less I like it honestly. Instead of giving us rewards and power independantly, we're essentially taking Ionia's rewards away--and keep in mind this is substantial. We aren't talking ONE island that doesn't want to go to the mainland and revolts. This is over one half of the population of their rightfully won prize, and 1/3rd of the land they won. Meanwhile, we've gotten so many freaking rewards over the course of this event--nyrothian or otherwise--why on earth are we given the option to short-change a faction WHO BEAT US. This isn't SI who didn't have anything and were give the option to destroy stuff. This is a faction already the winners reward-wise and progress-wise of the arc taking stuff from the winners. Punishing them for doing well on the fields at the end. Sure, we won for a good majority of the time and that should be recognized. But it alreay IS recognized in all the crap we have. Rebuilt the marai, Lunar church--heck--we own one HALF the islands in Nyroth already and out of the 5 we DON'T have, 2 are useless. I don't like this event at all, actually... just... saying That said, SI's going to mess it up anyways. Woo.)) Edited by Jpdaniel, Jan 31 2015, 06:16 PM.
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| XalkXolc | Jan 31 2015, 08:28 PM Post #4 |
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Sure, but cut the lore team some slack here. They have a ton of updates to catch up on, plus they do this on their free time w/o pay (unlike Rito's You-know-what-team....rather not talk about them), and Monty's got more going on than just Factions. He's busy, to say the least. At this point, I'm just really happy when things get done. And I'm sure the lore team is too. ...Just realized that this becamse less about JP's comment and more about how much I appreciate the lore team. TY GUYS! |
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| TerraBooma | Feb 1 2015, 01:46 AM Post #5 |
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My question: Do they REALLY have to take over the mainland? Surely a few islands would do well considering their small population. |
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| Jpdaniel | Feb 1 2015, 10:31 AM Post #6 |
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The lore team is great, no disrespect, but I think this could get annoying if not addressed. I honestly haven't had a complaint about an event to this point, not even disaster island. I think disaster island was great in retrospect, the ocean-level amounts of salt included. But yeah, the lore team getting this far on their spare time. Pretty amazing. |
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| CupcakeTrap | Feb 1 2015, 11:45 AM Post #7 |
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While this event is definitely spicy, enough that I was rather surprised myself when I read Montesque's initial writeup (which we modified), I actually rather like it. I can assure you that it's not about nullifying Ionia's arc victory: we'll make their arc victory significant no matter what. That's always been core to Factions. I struggled for weeks to come up with something for Bilgewater. I knew I wanted something vaguely diplomatic, but I was mostly thinking about negotiations between the winged Nyrothians and Bilgewater, maybe something about the Rune Wars. It wasn't coming together. Montesque pitched the idea of Bilgewater deciding between the Nyrothians and Ionia/the League. I think his real breakthrough was the idea of giving some agency to the Nyrothians, and having them assert themselves, creating a dilemma for Bilgewater. Before, I think I had been viewing the Nyrothians as passive "tokens" to be fought over, rather than as intelligent people (and automata) who know what they want and will seize what they see as their chance. So, he pitched some Nyrothians going to Gangplank and asking Bilgewater to back them in some actions that the League/Ionia would not approve of, and I was convinced.
Ionia wants to unify Nyroth and work out the ancient grudges and disagreements of its many sub-nations. The NC islands are by far the most "advanced" and "stable" entities in Nyroth. Ionia basically wants them to shoulder the burden of unifying the others and laying the groundwork for an ambitious new state many generations down the line. (Or, at least, that's what people believe.) The NC states don't want anything to do with the others. They want to take over Korag and Monsku and create a state comprised of all the sub-nations that "have it together". If they have to fight a war with the crazies at some point, they're fine with that; they think they'll win. They also believe that the League is trying to get them into some big dysfunctional continental government to stall them and keep them from challenging Valoran. It's not as though the League has said that, but that's how they view it. They want a Nyroth that looks more like Demacia or Noxus (unified, strong), and less like Ionia (fragmented, indecisive). More concretely, they do not want to have to share Korag's mineral wealth with the others.
Yes. But without Bilgewater supporting them, it's more likely that Ionia would be able to break it up. Bilgewater lacks direct authority over most parts of the mainland, but it does control Stormhaven, and its position as foreign emissary gives it significant indirect power. For instance, it could use favorable trade terms to give the NC discounted Valoranian goods and materials, nullifying Ionia's ability to control them by limiting their access to Nyrothian materials on the mainland. It would also, of course, be easier for them to carve out their state with Bilgewater there to speak up for them.
Yes, I was concerned that it might come off this way. But if Bilgewater backs the NC, that will put the ball in Ionia's court for the post-arc vote, and who knows, their Summoners might convince Karma to lay off. (Or hey, maybe Karma was prepared for this eventuality. She's clever.) Besides, creating a tension point between two factions can produce some really interesting developments. Speaking of Montesque and forcing tough decisions, I think he was very astute to come up with the "Ceruleana's prophecy" concept, which forced Demacia to either abandon Ceruleana or "pay up" by following her crazy-sounding demands. (Bear in mind: it was actually much more likely than not that she was either flat-out wrong or exaggerating about the whole end-of-the-world thing.) As I noted above, whatever happens, Ionia will most assuredly benefit from its arc victory. No choice Bilgewater makes will nullify its story-potential. Indeed, it will probably make things more interesting for Ionian Summoners, by giving them something to react to.
While I appreciate your support, and XalkXolc's, I assure you there's no need to apologize. This is really good feedback, and I understand it was meant constructively. We don't have Riot's resources, at all. That's true. But as much as we can, we hold ourselves to at least as high a standard. We've missed that mark lately. We're working at it. But we don't want to get complacent: we want to set our sights very high. Edited by CupcakeTrap, Feb 1 2015, 11:51 AM.
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| TerraBooma | Feb 1 2015, 12:54 PM Post #8 |
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Would Ionia REALLY have that good of a chance to break it up though? I'm pretty sure the combined armies of the NC would be able to take on Ionia, they're still weak after Krocelya |
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| CupcakeTrap | Feb 1 2015, 01:00 PM Post #9 |
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I really doubt Ionia would deploy its armies to forcibly subjugate the Nyrothians. Talk about a PR disaster, especially since their declared purpose in joining this dispute was to protect the Nyrothians from suffering the fate they suffered at Noxian hands. Ionia would probably try "soft" ideological persuasion first, then try indirect economic or political pressure to win them over. |
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| TerraBooma | Feb 1 2015, 01:08 PM Post #10 |
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Fair enough, and there was an interesting discussion in another thread The United Republics of Bilgwater (WE GOT FRIENDS NOW.) as a group we're one of the few factions who are fairly independent of the Noxus/Demacia split. We were starting to allign ourselves with Noxus, but I think we're backing out. (Zaun on the other hand is an option.) Would that mean anything for us as a whole? |
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