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Shuriman Champion Pickup Options; We'll be revising these pickup options soon.
Topic Started: May 29 2015, 12:18 PM (678 Views)
CupcakeTrap
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I'm planning to revamp the recruitable rosters in the next few days. I think it's only appropriate that Shurima itself gets some kind of chance to argue for whatever additions they'd like to see, or whatever removals they'd approve of.

Link: Faction Rosters

The main thing to keep in mind here: Tertiaries are supposed to be sort of weird, and thus are quite rare/costly, but there should be some kind of connection.

Here's that quick summary on criteria again:

  • Story. A lore connection, whether in Riot or Factions lore. Some sort of intersection of the character's storyline with the faction's storyline. Most Tertiaries have at most a tiny scrap of this, which is fine.
  • Theme/Feel. The Champion should not look entirely incongruous on the roster. A Noxian Champion, even a Tertiary, should at least be kind of scary/dark/fearsome. (If anyone argues to disqualify Annie on this basis, I'd point out that she's a little girl who soul-bound a ferocious man-eating demon-bear and carries him around as her toy, and whose most favoritest thing in the world is to burn people alive inside a combat arena. Also, I indulge in enjoying the sight of Darius slogging across the Fields with a little girl skipping beside him.)
  • Gameplay. Bonus points if the Champion helps bring out the faction's distinctive playstyle. (Note: this does not mean "fills in a weakness". Actually, that can be a negative Gameplay aspect.)


Also, although I'm far from decided on this, I'm thinking that we should consider a rule limiting starting Tertiary options to 5 per faction. There's really no need for more, and I think it's good to apply some pressure to at least limit the lists to the 5 most legitimate options. Shurima is the main faction that this applies to. I think there's some excess on your list right now. I'd like to see if you can condense that down to the 5 best options. Some of the current options are really sketchy.
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rinsujo
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Take Ryze and Syndra. We like them, but they don't really fit.

Arguably, Varus doesn't fit especially well either, but we like him and want an additional adc if we can. So if you must take him we can't really complain too much, but we'd appreciate it if you didn't take him.

IF we can find an ADC who fits better, perhaps it'd be worth adding them, but I can't personally think of any good suggestions.
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Kaynunot
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Ugh, please, take Varus and Ryze. Aside from 'I hate Noxus and Noxus is pestering you guys' and 'Wandering magic guy' they have no story cohesion. Syndra arguably had a place as a Tertiary Because Unlimited Power, Xerath, and Floating Landmasses.
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Zondervain
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Ryze, Syndra, Varus, Kassadin.

Ryze: He has no connection.

Syndra + Varus: Both 'Dark' Ionians who have minor connections at absolute best.

Kassadin: Again, no connection.
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Astrid
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May 29 2015, 01:55 PM
Ryze, Syndra, Varus, Kassadin.

Ryze: He has no connection.

Syndra + Varus: Both 'Dark' Ionians who have minor connections at absolute best.

Kassadin: Again, no connection.
I'm not sure if you've read Varus's lore, but he himself isn't evil. The corruption is, but Varus is sort of on a warpath to stick his arrows up Noxian asses. That's all his life is dedicated to now, pretty much. The quotes "Beware a man with nothing to lose" and "I'm on borrowed time" from him really strike this home. The corruption is consuming him but in his current state he can still have a clear-ish head. Think of it as Kalista -- literally her only purpose is to seek vengeance. It's the same with Varus. Also, another thing going for Varus is that he would be more than happy to fight for a faction so he can fight Noxus. Shurima hasn't done anything wrong in his books, so I could definitely see him joining.

I think Sivir would be more than happy to ally with Varus until they see to it that Noxus is defeated. I mean, sure, he might be a bit creepy, but he does what you signed him up for and as long as he doesn't go around killing Shurimans...

Also Varus actually kinda fits with Shurima's whole "power" thing, he sacrificed himself and betrayed his post just to get enough power to roflstomp Noxians. Xerath completely betrayed Azir for power so this really isn't a new concept.

(btw don't question a Noxian champion making an entire post about how we need Varus to fight Noxus)
Edited by Astrid, May 29 2015, 02:45 PM.
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kdrakari
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It would be nice to have Varus, but I could see removing him... or making him a more general "Anybody fighting Noxus" pickup and let Piltover have the option too.

Ryze doesn't have really any concrete connection. Syndra's connection is really tenuous. Losing either or both wouldn't cripple us either, though there seem to be a few Syndra fanboys in here.

Kassadin has AT LEAST as good of reason to be in Shurima as Malzahar, especially considering Malz is core in Void while Kassadin doesn't have any stronger allegiance other than hating Void. I'm fine leaving him tertiary, but I'd prefer to have him as secondary.

Alistar could be dropped if we need to, but I think he fits by all three criteria better than Varus, Ryze, or Syndra.
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Naggarok
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Out of the seven, Ryze and Syndra are definitely the ones that should be removed. While I think they make sense as potential, future options, they shouldn't be there innately on the list.

Varus has as much connection, if not much more, as Veigar to Piltover, so I don't see the problem there. I would suggest Varus be added to Piltover's roster, but there is the major problem of Piltover openly helping Riven and her Noxian friends, along with their pledge to help the reformists, which would be enough to drive him off.

Personally, I'd also replace Kassadin with Ekko(Hostile to Piltover) since Zaun does have a presence in Shurima whereas we are guessing that Kassadin was born in Shurima. If Shurima ever decides to rebuke the Void, I could see Kassadin replacing Malzahar/Rek'sai, but other than that he doesn't feel that connected. I wouldn't lose any sleep if they weren't swapped, but Ekko as a tertiary an Kassadin as a conditional makes more sense to me.
Edited by Naggarok, May 29 2015, 04:33 PM.
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Ares the Proud
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Make Varus available to whoever has a big millitary fight with noxus first. Fits thematically and helps with the rosters.
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Nebulosus
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I'm inclined to agree with Kdrakari that Kassadin has about an equal reason to be in Shurima as Malzahar, so I question why one is secondary and the other tertiary. Beyond that, Ryze and Syndra I agree. They're really just there for free stuff we can offer them, which really any faction could do, we just happen to -hopefully- have more sparkly items to give them.

As far as Ekko, I really can't agree with him being on Shurima. Yeah, he's hostile to Piltover, but he'd be against his factions main ally in the entire arc if he went Shurima. You can make the argument he doesn't like the current leadership in Zaun and may not agree with the Noxus alliance, but is that enough to justify him going against the wishes of his home?
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Naggarok
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Blitzcrank/Zac are on Piltover's roster, so that point is moot. Furthermore, it can easily be spun that he thinks Noxus doesn't realize that they're only powerful because of Zaun and wants to knock them down a peg. It's definitely worth noting that Zaun has recently given Noxus a great deal more than the reverse.

There's also the fact that Noxus might go with Riven and friends and break a great many ties with Zaun. Of course, there many a prickly question involving the Noxus/Zaun friendship since I can't really call it an alliance yet.
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Adonidus
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Well dropping Ryze and Syndra will fit the requirements for the new 5 limit and won't really cost us at all, seeing as we have the POWER OVERWHELMING covered.

As for Varus, his connection to us is about as good as any other ADC in League as far as I can tell. All the rest are either already claimed by another playing faction or have equally thin reasons to join us.
Kalista - Vengance on all who walk these sands!
Graves - Sure I'll fight for ya, for a share of the loot.
Teemo - Imma Scout!

So Varus is about on the same level, plus is a nice counterpoint to Sivir. The only other one I'd maybe see might be Kog'Maw as a free agent of the void, what with us already being somewhat tainted. But even then their may not be enough things in the desert for him to eat...
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Actually think that Ryze has better lore ties with Piltover. He is a researcher of magic that prioritizes safely gaining magic instead of what Xerath did. In one of the Journals of Justice he is quoted that he feels Xerath is an abomination, ad that he should have stayed sealed away. (issue 30)
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Nebulosus
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You're right that Ekko's case is similiar to the Blitzcrank/Zac thing Nagga, but that's also kinda the problem. The similiarities between those three is that all of them were born in/love Zaun, but none of them really care for the politics of it. Blitzcrank left because he needed to figure his shit out, Zac's Mr.Superhero that's protecting the "innocent and helpless" people in Zaun like he's batman, and Ekko's doing his own thing with his rag-tag group of orphans. His -only- connection is the Zaunite mines in Shurima. ...So? Ekko doesn't really seem to care about the politics, he's focused on protecting his family of orphans back home. If we're gonna run the whole Zaun mines connection, it'd make far more sense to send someone that's more interested in advancing Zaun's interests, and not someone like Ekko who loves the city not for the government, but for the family he has in it.

If we run the Hostile to Piltover bit, then I could get a little more behind it, but I'd still think he'd be somewhat of an option to Noxus. If we could justify that he really hates the current Noxus regime with Swain, that focuses on the Bio-chem and Viktor (potential) alliance, then I could agree he should be taken off Noxus, but otherwise I think he should be available to either both Shurima and Noxus, or neither.
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I'd say out of all the champs, drop ryze and Syndra. Shurima is already loaded with a crap ton of mage options. We don't really need Ryze and Syndra as options. Varus would seem somewhat likely, but very very tenuous. Unfortunately, there aren't many ADC's that really fit in with "SHURIMA" other than Sivir. I guess any sort of Mercenary ADC could work.
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Ekko would never fight for Noxus. I'll bet you that he sees Noxus as simply using Zaun for its scientific ability, and probably doing nothing but corrupting it further. (He doesn't like the corrupt scientists that give up their humanity and do despicable things, like Singed, Mundo, or Viktor.)
Fighting for Noxus would just make them more powerful, and strengthen their power over Zaun. He doesn't want Zaun to stay under Noxus's thumb. He's very much a fighter for a new, free, and less corrupt Zaun that treats its people with respect.

And he obviously would never fight for Piltover.

So if we're going to include Ekko in this arc at all (which we don't have to) I think the only faction he'd even consider joining is Shurima, since the enemy of his enemy is his friend.
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Adonidus
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And he has a sandy skin!

You know, now that Quinn is free this week I was thinking she could make a good tertiary if we had to get rid of Varus. Falcons are kind of an Arab thing in the real world and she'd be able to float back and forth between top and ADC easily.
On the other hand, Varus might just be better for us, I'm not really into the meta enough to tell. I know Varus can chunk down tanks which is nice and the skill cap for Quinn is higher. Also she's Demacian, which may be the biggest point against her.
Edited by Adonidus, Jun 4 2015, 08:19 PM.
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