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Dar'Khos and the Future of Shurima
Topic Started: Jul 8 2015, 10:43 AM (733 Views)
CupcakeTrap
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I want to post these polls up tonight, perhaps combining them into a proper lore event.

To start with, I want to get some unfiltered feedback that isn't constrained by multiple-choice voting.

So, imagine you had five minutes with Emperor Azir, or Sivir, or Nasus, or whomever. What's next for Shurima?

You've got League recognition. You've proven yourselves on the Fields. But now the old powers are starting to kick you around and really fight dirty. (Hence the ban and recruitment delay.) War has resumed. Sivir's mercs want to be paid. Xerath wants to bring back Shuriman magic, a profoundly dangerous endeavor given how much the arcanosphere has changed over time. Piltover wants to build a railway through your land, which will disrupt the magical environment and give both Piltover and Demacia greater political power and military access. Noxus wants to either make you part of its war machine or straight up loot you.

Nasus thinks everything is happening too fast. Then again, if he had his way, Shurima might stay in ruins for another thousand years.

Renekton wants OCEANS OF BLOOD.

Did I mention that Sivir's people really want to get paid?

Meanwhile, Azir himself is committed to the good of Shurima, but has a grandiose, inhuman perspective on what that means. What are people whining about? He FREED THE SLAVES. What more could his minions possibly want? And how DARE these mercenaries presume to make demands of him? And now you're here to bother him. He grants you an audience, but be quick about it, Summoner.
Edited by CupcakeTrap, Jul 8 2015, 10:45 AM.
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Jpdaniel
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So we need gold in our coffers and therefore in the purse of Sivir's mercs, respect for our land, a stable government, and to appease some bloodthirsty crocodile and NOT annoy pantheon by playing the wusses.

... we'll there's one option

We could re-evaluate who's trying to loot who in this whole Noxus situation...

Also. Maybe we could TALK to the whole democratic parties in Dar'khos, see demands. Maybe divide up into several states all under a national law but with individual governments instead of the weird city-state setups we have elsewhere in valoran. It gives sovereignty to you, Azir, but it also appeases the masses in that they have democratic rule, although in the end still answer to you.
Edited by Jpdaniel, Jul 8 2015, 01:05 PM.
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XalkXolc
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Well, the future of Shurima, huh? Pretty interesting. The way I see it, Shurima's a desert, and so we don't have too many natural resources. But what do we have? Two things: magic, and pyrikhos. And when you have commodities like those, you gotta leverage 'em. Xerath and his cultists have already offered to perform significant research into Ascendant magic, solar magic, what-have-you that no one else has. Now, that's a valuable resource right there. As for the pyrikhos? How would we use it, develop it? Wel...that can be arranged. Shipments of powerful hextech brought in by Bilgewaterian cargo ships, and we can see what we can see about combining it with Xerath's research results. Whay say you, Emperor?
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rinsujo
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Emperor Azir, it is pleasant to meet you at last. Forgive my lack of decorum, I find Valoranian customs difficult to imitate.
So! We have been successful in establishing your glory in the League - although this opens us up to a great deal more difficulty now, as we are thrust into a situation we may not have been ready for... you have my sympathy.
My apologies, I ramble as I speak. Argyrian habit. Responsibilities at hand then? Gold to the Mercenaries, since the desert has run on the stuff for a hundred years, and they grumble about it incessantly. Diplomacy in the League, now that Shurima has sovereignty it must be defended. I doubt very much, Emperor, that even an Immortal such as yourself has enough time in the day to attend to the matters of running a state, act as a champion within the League, and take care of oneself as well. Delegation of the necessary tasks is going to be simply unavoidable. As for diplomacy, I suspect you are in the same boat as I, Emperor. Someone who finds themselves more than a bit out of sorts...
A boat? It's... well I was using what I think is called 'slang'. Shorter words to communicate the same idea... I perhaps should have said we are in similar situations.
Well of course I'm not an Emperor, similar in that we both aren't quite native to this area, physically in my case...
...yes, and temporally in your case.
The only way I've managed to achieve anything remotely resembling competency on the fields in the last 6 months is by working with Zilean, of course I know about temporal distortions. That isn't the point sir.
...*sigh*...
Perhaps we should let some of the better known Summoners handle diplomacy, Sir. Their League contacts will be helpful, and I should think...
Yes sir, but unfortunately ancient glories don't help us overly much now. Valoran is very... pragmatic? that way. But I think 'pragmatic' is taken as a compliment. I'm not sure how to translate it into an insult. They're...
Exactly sir. No respect. Summoner Dangerfield puts it quite well. And honestly, I doubt there will ever be a simple, concise answer that solves our issues. However, the biggest one at hand is paying Sivir's mercenaries. We should also seek to reduce our dependence on them, if we can, although that will be difficult with war resuming. So I suppose Renekton will enjoy the next few months.
Nasus? My thoughts on him? Very wise and noble. Too slow to take up arms, though. Too slow to commit to much of anything. Volibear has much more of my respect... although I would ask that you not tell Zilean I said that. They don't get along, for some reason.
Yes, Sir, my Valoranian homeland is the Freljord. I'm a Nyrothian by birth, but the Institute didn't have a form for that...
Too bloody hot, but otherwise, I'm honored to be here in Shurima. What I wouldn't give for a chunk of... 'True Ice', they call it here?
...You know, I wonder...
Rambling again, my apologies, Sir. I'll sum up. I think diplomacy with one or more factions will be the fastest way to solve our issues. Gold through trade, and perhaps a swifter end to combat by either crushing our enemies on the field or in the halls of the institute. By my research, Noxus has traditionally done far better in open combat than in the halls of the Institute, although of the DuCouteau sisters, I have heard Cassiopeia was the diplomat. They may be attempting to shore up their weakness this time around. The Piltover summoners seem much easier to speak with, and have asked about researching artifacts... but running hextech tracks through Shuriman enchantments... I question how well they've researched this.
They have a set in the Freljord, as I recall, no major arcane effects short term, but your leylines down here are very different. Tied to my homeland, somehow. Feels... almost comfortable. Except for the heat. But before I ramble again, yes, I think Diplomacy is our safest bet going forward and I would say if we get that built up we stand a much better chance of coming out on top of this kerfuffle.
...have you ever seen yordles scrimmage, Sir? There's no better word for it. "Kerfuffle." One of the Nyrothian words Valoranians just get.


((CCT, we can has diplomacy plz? And maybe Research? I think World systems are going to be the safest way out of this for us. Or else we let Noxus act like Hannibal, Napoleon, and Hitler, and deal with Russian Winter SHURIMAN SUMMER.))
Edited by rinsujo, Jul 8 2015, 05:41 PM.
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*writes note, and hands to senior Shuriman summoner to have delivered*

((I say we take a little time working on infrastructure. Make Shurima glorious again. Make it a desert Freljord: Not huge, but competently sized. Also, maybe not pissing off the people would be a good idea. We could have lost the goddamn capital in the tournament, and that would have been REALLY bad. So, Azir and the people have to compromise somehow. Get Sivir and Nasus to put together a sitdown between Azir and some representatives and hammer stuff out.

Also, we should diplomatically tell Pilt to shove it and build their stupid railroad elsewhere.))
Edited by Damaster00777, Jul 8 2015, 01:15 PM.
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Kaynunot
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Jul 8 2015, 12:59 PM
pyrikhos
We. Do. Not. Have. Control. Of. The. Pyrikhos. How many times must I remind you people of this?

Honestly, as a Zaunite I'm all for whatever Xerath wants to do but as a Summoner I'm worried about what magical implications this has because we don't want another Magical Mishap... You know, like what the Rune Wars did? What Exploding Nexi do? We can't risk any of that. On the other hand, I think we should totally do what Azir wants, because what could possibly go wrong? I mean, he freed the slaves so Slavery definitely isn't his thing. That should be enough for people!
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Jul 8 2015, 02:33 PM
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Jul 8 2015, 12:59 PM
pyrikhos
We. Do. Not. Have. Control. Of. The. Pyrikhos. How many times must I remind you people of this?

Honestly, as a Zaunite I'm all for whatever Xerath wants to do but as a Summoner I'm worried about what magical implications this has because we don't want another Magical Mishap... You know, like what the Rune Wars did? What Exploding Nexi do? We can't risk any of that. On the other hand, I think we should totally do what Azir wants, because what could possibly go wrong? I mean, he freed the slaves so Slavery definitely isn't his thing. That should be enough for people!
Allowing Xerath to regain control of ancient Shuriman magic might lead to extremely dangerous situations like nexus explosions, arcanovirus outbreaks, extraplanar summonings, or Xerath regaining control of ancient Shuriman magic. Most likely the latter.

(This post is mostly a joke.)
Edited by CupcakeTrap, Jul 8 2015, 02:42 PM.
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Naggarok
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I have a very simple series of events:

1) Kill the Piltover. This pleases the Renekton.
2) Sell enough things found on the dead piltover to Zaun for the Solar Codex back and to pay people. This pleases the Xerath and Sivir
3) Use Solar Codex to kill the Noxus. This pleases the Renekton and Pantheon.
4) Tell everyone to get out. This pleases the Skarner.
5) Annex Urtisan. This pleases the Zilean.
6) Make giant sun temple to please the Leona.
7) Kidnap Annie to be freinds with Amumu so he'll quit crying.
8) Have Zilean cast time warp on Nasus so he sees everything slowly.
9) Shurima. Azir is pleased.

There's a simple nine point plan.
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Jpdaniel
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Jul 8 2015, 02:55 PM
I have a very simple series of events:

1) Kill the Piltover. This pleases the Renekton.
2) Sell enough things found on the dead piltover to Zaun for the Solar Codex back and to pay people. This pleases the Xerath and Sivir
3) Use Solar Codex to kill the Noxus. This pleases the Renekton and Pantheon.
4) Tell everyone to get out. This pleases the Skarner.
5) Annex Urtisan. This pleases the Zilean.
6) Make giant sun temple to please the Leona.
7) Kidnap Annie to be freinds with Amumu so he'll quit crying.
8) Have Zilean cast time warp on Nasus so he sees everything slowly.
9) Shurima. Azir is pleased.

There's a simple nine point plan.
I have absolutely no complaints with this.

Though I assume we're not actually killing the Piltover city state, because that would cause a world war.
I'm not talking the LAST battle of shurima war, I'd be talking "literally every faction would pick a side" world war.

Might even be a 3-faction war with Shadow Isles, Icathia, and Bandle teaming up to destroy the world.
Edited by Jpdaniel, Jul 8 2015, 03:05 PM.
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rinsujo
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Jul 8 2015, 02:55 PM
I have a very simple series of events:

1) Kill the Piltover. This pleases the Renekton.
2) Sell enough things found on the dead piltover to Zaun for the Solar Codex back and to pay people. This pleases the Xerath and Sivir
3) Use Solar Codex to kill the Noxus. This pleases the Renekton and Pantheon.
4) Tell everyone to get out. This pleases the Skarner.
5) Annex Urtisan. This pleases the Zilean.
6) Make giant sun temple to please the Leona.
7) Kidnap Annie to be freinds with Amumu so he'll quit crying.
8) Have Zilean cast time warp on Nasus so he sees everything slowly.
9) Shurima. Azir is pleased.

There's a simple nine point plan.
hm. I have a slightly condensed version.
Replace 'Piltover' in step one with 'Noxus'.
remove step 3.
Now it's eight steps! And by hitting Noxus, Piltover should get the general idea that we're not to be fooled with.
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My thoughts on this, presented in convenient list form:

1) I don't like this railway. At the very least Pilt should be paying us.
2) We should go on an annexation spree if we can. Urtistan should be a top priority as we can possibly build a port there, and let ships use it as a resupplying point for shipping to Nyroth. Secondly look at annexing Mt. Targon, or having them be a protectorate of ours.
3)Bilgewater seems like a cool place, be more friendly with them.
4) Regain control of our artifacts, put the ones we're willing to let people see in an institute, then charge people for the use of the institute, with Nasus supervising said institute.
5) Talk to Nefara, see if we can secretly convince her to move into the voodoo lands because spooky. If necessary, "convince" her to move using solar magic.
6) Friends don't let friends ally with the void. Seriously, don't do it.
7) Don't let ourselves get pulled into alliances with nations that want to make us their pawn (Demacia, Noxus, maybe Zaun.
8) Listen to what the democracy people have to say. Keep them happy if you can.

Thanks for your time, Azir. Oh and I like what you've done with your feathers. That has GOT to be a new style.
Edited by masterpierround, Jul 8 2015, 04:19 PM.
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Our first priority is to find a source of income. It's fine if we only start out with short-term solutions like selling some of the artifacts we have, but we can't afford to lose our mercenaries or risk having them defect to one of the other Factions involved. We are fortunate that our internal unrest was favorably resolved, and I would suggest long-term making an attempt to take democratic opinions into account, but right now we're in a war for our very existence and we can't deal with internal dissent until we at least have a real government for there to be dissent from.

Long-term we still need to look into options to improve our economy, but we won't need to employ mercenaries full-time. Hopefully once this dispute is resolved we'll be able to avoid military conflict for a while and build up elsewhere instead. If we have a choice, expanding into Urtistan is a good option that will provide us with coastal access for improved trade options especially with Bilgewater and Nyroth.

I'm not strictly opposed to the railway actually, we would want to negotiate very favorable terms but Demacia and Piltover have already invested a lot into the project and I'm sure they would make a lot of concessions to avoid that going to waste. It will make them stronger, but I believe we can negotiate terms which will result in us gaining just as much benefit without all the investment.

I'd also like to avoid starting a war with the Void. I wouldn't ally with them, but I don't think we have the strength to fight them alone or the alliances to guarantee any assistance. Leave them alone, build up strength and international relationships, and deal with it when we're forced to.
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If we can assign champions(and their soldiers/followers/fanboys), I say that we should send Sivir, Renekton, and Pantheon(In that order) to "deal" with Noxus(If you know what I mean). Sivirs mercenaries can get their pay by looting the Noxians. Piltover can get Nasus, Xerath and Zilean to see what building that Railway will do to all of this magic floating around.
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Jul 8 2015, 02:33 PM
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We. Do. Not. Have. Control. Of. The. Pyrikhos. How many times must I remind you people of this?
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Okay. I guess the subtle nod to Zaunite connections was too subtle. Next time, I will make sure to be overly explicit while using Lots of Capital Letters and bolding, with constant. punctuation. for. emphasis.

Yep, sounds like someone who's spent time as a wheeler-dealer to me.
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Jul 8 2015, 02:33 PM
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Jul 8 2015, 12:59 PM
pyrikhos
We. Do. Not. Have. Control. Of. The. Pyrikhos. How many times must I remind you people of this?
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Okay. I guess the subtle nod to Zaunite connections was too subtle. Next time, I will make sure to be overly explicit while using Lots of Capital Letters and bolding, with constant. punctuation. for. emphasis.

Yep, sounds like someone who's spent time as a wheeler-dealer to me.
Kuronan is three seconds from tearing his hair out. It has been said, countless times, by myself, the staff, and various factioneers, that Shurima has never been given control of the Pyrikhos and if we even try to stop Zaun from taking what the League gave to them, the Institute is going to come and kick our ass. This is not Hextech Revolution 2.0 and we do not have the authority or power to defy the Institute's rulings. If they ruled we needed to put on dresses and dance for the Moon once a month, we'd put on god damn dresses and dance for the moon. This has never, and will never be about the Pyrikhos because all of it has already been under the authority of the League, unless the Void makes a new batch in the land we legally own but that's it.
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Jul 8 2015, 10:06 PM
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Jul 8 2015, 02:33 PM
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Jul 8 2015, 12:59 PM
pyrikhos
We. Do. Not. Have. Control. Of. The. Pyrikhos. How many times must I remind you people of this?
...
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Okay. I guess the subtle nod to Zaunite connections was too subtle. Next time, I will make sure to be overly explicit while using Lots of Capital Letters and bolding, with constant. punctuation. for. emphasis.

Yep, sounds like someone who's spent time as a wheeler-dealer to me.
Kuronan is three seconds from tearing his hair out. It has been said, countless times, by myself, the staff, and various factioneers, that Shurima has never been given control of the Pyrikhos and if we even try to stop Zaun from taking what the League gave to them, the Institute is going to come and kick our ass. This is not Hextech Revolution 2.0 and we do not have the authority or power to defy the Institute's rulings. If they ruled we needed to put on dresses and dance for the Moon once a month, we'd put on god damn dresses and dance for the moon. This has never, and will never be about the Pyrikhos because all of it has already been under the authority of the League, unless the Void makes a new batch in the land we legally own but that's it.
...I think we're on different pages here. The whole point was that the post was in-character. The whole reason for my Summoner signing up for Shurima is to try and create some influence with Shurima, as an up-and-coming nation, ripe for exploitation development. Hence, the subtle pushes to bring in Zaunite assets. There would be no stealing of pyrikhos, no warring, it's simply to get the idea into Azir's head, get him thinking about the possibility. I have no designs on taking control of the pyrikhos in Shurima (I'm a Zaunite! It'd be counter-productive!) and I sure as Sion's sunshine don't think LitS should turn into HR2.0. Now, do you think we can get back to the actual topic of the thread?
Edited by XalkXolc, Jul 9 2015, 12:13 AM.
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Jul 9 2015, 12:13 AM
...I think we're on different pages here. The whole point was that the post was in-character. The whole reason for my Summoner signing up for Shurima is to try and create some influence with Shurima, as an up-and-coming nation, ripe for exploitation development. Hence, the subtle pushes to bring in Zaunite assets. There would be no stealing of pyrikhos, no warring, it's simply to get the idea into Azir's head, get him thinking about the possibility. I have no designs on taking control of the pyrikhos in Shurima (I'm a Zaunite! It'd be counter-productive!) and I sure as Sion's sunshine don't think LitS should turn into HR2.0. Now, do you think we can get back to the actual topic of the thread?
Yea, we were on different pages here, sorry. I don't think most of Shurima wants to work with Zaun but by all means, you may attempt to convince the God Emperor of Shurima to ally with Zaun. I as a Zaunite would love to see this alliance become a reality but I have my doubts. As to what I want, I think Xerath should be allowed to do his own thing... Maybe he'll grant some of us Immortality, I would very much like to Live Forever.
Edited by Kaynunot, Jul 9 2015, 12:29 AM.
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First, we need to consolidate our power and hedge up our borders. We may succeed in pushing the invaders out but that's only part of the plan. I'm sure Nasus would be pleased with this kind of thing. We've got the Solar Disc, sure, but the artifact's influence only spreads so far and Azir can't be everywhere.

When we finally declare peace, or at least a true, part of the truce will call for Noxus and Piltover, as the invaders, will have to pony up the cash to at least cover the costs of Sivir's bunch. Even if we end up losing some, losing nations still get to have certain gains.

I have no idea what to do with Renekton. He's dangerous and is only pleased when fighting and we don't want this to keep going. War is much less profitable, in the long run, then peace and trade.

We need Xerath. Giving him resources will allow him to resurrect our nation's magic. I admit it may be dangerous but to avoid binding ourselves to other nation-states, which may be worse in the long run, we need to give him a chance. He's proven to be capable, even if he has also proven to be a backstabbing snake. Still, we can't allow ourselves to alienate him and give other nations a chance to deal with him. He's a powerhouse. If we don't keep him, someone else will.

The railways will not pass through Shurima. At the most, it will stop at our borders and other transportation will be used to ferry goods and people. Hopefully Xerath can work on that, perhaps Azir can resurrect a large and sturdy road to provide easy movement. Zaun's transportation system would most likely be too disruptive, magically, to be used. Again, if it is used at all, it will stop at our border.

Noxus and Demacia will get no alliances. In fact, right now, we are holding the alliance card close to the chest. We'll see what happens.
Edited by Geomancer93041, Jul 11 2015, 12:13 PM.
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Jul 11 2015, 12:11 PM
The railways will not pass through Shurima. At the most, it will stop at our borders and other transportation will be used to ferry goods and people. Hopefully Xerath can work on that, perhaps Azir can resurrect a large and sturdy road to provide easy movement. Zaun's transportation system would most likely be too disruptive, magically, to be used. Again, if it is used at all, it will stop at our border.
Zaun already has warpgates in Shurima to transport the Pyrikhos. We can't exactly stop them from coming to and fro using this method of transportation and I don't think trying to force the issue is a good idea until they exhaust the known reserves of Pyrikhos.
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Using the Solar Disc and Xerath will probably stir up a lot of magic. So much so that the warpgates might become unstable. Or they threaten Shurima in some way. I'm just saying that we need to be ready to do something if magic starts interfering. As you've said, we can't stop their mines. However, in the case of the warpgates causing problems, we will have to offer other means of transportation.
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