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This arc.; Your feelings about this arc.
Topic Started: Sep 12 2015, 01:38 PM (3,632 Views)
Crzymstrbkwrm876
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Below is a message I sent to CCT like yesterday, and after I sent it I thought-instead of just my thoughts coming in, maybe others would like to comment! So I was wondering if you feel the same way that I do about this arc.
So below is the message that I sent-afterwards, go ahead and tell me if you think I said things correctly, if you agree, etc.
Don't be harsh -.-
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ShadowKnight1224
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The problem is that those interactive things you want are entirely dependant on world systems and lore, the two things that eat up most of CCT's time.
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Crzymstrbkwrm876
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What was wrong with last arc? I really enjoyed last arc, and it seemed to do well.
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ShadowKnight1224
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World Systems was broken and led to unfair situations and a lot of salt. Also, the Factions themselves were poorly balanced in terms of WS, with SI having very little options other than going full warmonger.
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Crzymstrbkwrm876
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I would rather have salt than nothing.
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ShadowKnight1224
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I'd rather have nothing than salt! ^_^
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Kwon Ri Sae
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Going back to the core of factions sounds pretty good. World Systems and Lore were arguably the best parts of factions, in each and every arc

Ionia book jokes, you know?
Edited by Kwon Ri Sae, Sep 12 2015, 06:19 PM.
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Crzymstrbkwrm876
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Yep. Bad KARMA for Ionia trololol.
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Well, i think with all the work that's been going into things, it should be safe to say that we've learned quite a bit for arc 8 - first and foremost, Lore and WS are the backbone of factions, and we need them. LitS has been a good arc, but it could've been much better. As long as we learn from it, though, we're in a good spot. And some of that need for lore has led into the development of the summoner RP system, which is a very good thing as well. (As long as we remove some complexity, coughcough.)
State of Factions right now isn't bad, but it certainly could be improved - but we have been putting work into the areas in question, so i think all we need to do now is get it all implemented and make sure we don't bite off too much again.
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It feels like Shurima has given the fuck up to be honest. It's like they got what they wanted, so they don't have a reason to play anymore. There also aren't that many people who want to do pickup factions matches. I'm not sure if this is because people are just really really bored, or if it is a natural thing for the end of the arc.
Edited by Crzymstrbkwrm876, Sep 12 2015, 09:44 PM.
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Partially end of arc, in my case it's a frustration with league in general atm, and... well, things are pretty muddy right now. I'll be on for a few pickups tomorrow, if anyone else is?
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ShadowKnight1224
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I've been hearing a lot of complaints from people (myself, friends, youtubers) who simply just don't want to play League anymore ever since the Juggernaut patch hit.
Edited by ShadowKnight1224, Sep 12 2015, 09:55 PM.
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Crzymstrbkwrm876
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Really? I haven't heard of this myself. Can you explain slightly more Shadow? what youtubers are you referring to, for example?
And Rin, I would be delighted to if Shurima doesn't forfeit.
Edited by Crzymstrbkwrm876, Sep 12 2015, 10:25 PM.
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ShadowKnight1224
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Well, Gbay99 has made a few videos specifically about it, and people like Redmercy and Foxdrop have started splicing some other games or roles beyond their main.
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For me, the biggest problem with this arc was my personal feeling of engagement.

Now, part of it was certainly that I started a regular job and just don't have as much time to spend on League, which naturally leads to less involvement with Factions.

But overall, I definitely felt like this entire arc was just an extension of the long intermission, except I was now limited to playing for 3 factions. My interaction with Factions has been basically this for the past month and a half:

1. Hmm, I haven't looked at Factions for a while.
2. Check site.
3. Oh, look, Featureds. Guess I might consider it, but probably not since the weekend is my only free time.
4. Any lore events? Nope. Okay.
5. Champion pickups? Nope. Okay.
6. BoP? Don't even really care, but it seems to be out of date anyway.
7. Whatever then.

There is just nothing drawing me into Factions currently because I don't feel like anything I do impacts what's going on. Shurima is already going to have stupid stats coming out of this, guaranteed. They've reached League recognition and gotten some territory, guaranteed. What else is there to fight for? BoP? As in the nebulous score that totally doesn't relate to who really won at all because of the mechanics of this arc? No thanks.

There's nothing pulling me in. Part of what kept me going in Nyroth was feeling like something was going on all the time. A lot of might have been the cameraderie derived from feeling like one of the underdog factions while Bilgewater was dominating. But a lot of it was strategizing champion pickups (which has been lacking due to the pickup freeze), discussing research projects (what happened to those, anyway?), and decisions regarding where to send champions/who to ally with for events (which didn't exist in this arc).

Even if the overall mechanics behind World Systems was nebulous (it still is), at least I felt like I was putting in something and getting something out of it. Without something concrete coming out of my time investment, of course I'm not going to spend as much time on Factions as before.

Now, on to a bit of critique.

I personally never understood why World Systems had to be so complicated. At least, the military aspect of it. Does Nagga still do over a hundred rolls to figure out the outcome of a battle? Is there a reason why that can't just be more closely tied to the actions of the summoners for each faction? I'm not saying this is necessarily balanced or whatever, but why not have small "skirmishes" happen, and each "skirmish" becomes a Murder Bridge game? Winner of the game wins that "skirmish". Several such fights happen over the course of a larger battle, and whichever faction wins the most of these "skirmishes" wins the overall battle. These could be done over the course of the week to build up toward the featured matches, so people would feel like they're hitting the climax of an important fight instead of being told "this is important".

I don't know. Just throwing out ideas.

Also, some curiosity regarding moving forward.

Lore is great and all, but what is going to be the future? By that, I mean this: Where is the story really going? Will we just keep adding things for factions to fight over while reshaping the landscape of Valoran? This is sort of reaching the stage of a long-running series that has to maintain status quo so every faction has a chance to participate in the future. Eventually all the past arcs will just be so much to read it's impossible to keep track of whats going on. Will there be a plan to cut things off somewhere? Turn to other types of stories? Maybe campaign-like storytelling that's more self-contained?

Honestly, I'm just curious if there's a long-term plot resolution thing going on behind the scenes.






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ShadowKnight1224
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Light, I don't mean to be dismissive, but 80% of your concerns have been discussed on the forums and gdocs, and it has been done for months now. Hell, some of your concerns have been addressed on the main website.

It's very hard to sympathise with your concerns when you don't really bother to stay up to date.
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Really? I refresh the main page every chance I get, and I make sure to read everything on the forums, and yet...I still sympathize with Light's position. I mean, I'm mostly focusing on the first half of the post, before "on to a bit of critique", since that part's mostly hypothetical...but still. He kinda put some definition to some things I didn't realize I was feeling about the arc.
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Well first of all Shadow, I can say confidently after talking to and being around many counselors and psychiatrists, that one of the worst things you can do to someone is dismiss their opinion. It takes a lot of courage for most people to actually to put themselves out there and express their thoughts and feelings. And went you knock that, it really takes it out of them. So I would mostly say, try not to do that to light lol. I appreciate her feedback, and for putting her thoughts over this arc in one area so that we can improve from here.
Edited by Crzymstrbkwrm876, Sep 13 2015, 12:13 PM.
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XalkXolc
Sep 13 2015, 11:59 AM
Really? I refresh the main page every chance I get, and I make sure to read everything on the forums, and yet...I still sympathize with Light's position. I mean, I'm mostly focusing on the first half of the post, before "on to a bit of critique", since that part's mostly hypothetical...but still. He kinda put some definition to some things I didn't realize I was feeling about the arc.
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Crzymstrbkwrm876
Sep 13 2015, 12:13 PM
Well first of all Shadow, I can say confidently after talking to and being around many counselors and psychiatrists, that one of the worst things you can do to someone is dismiss their opinion. It takes a lot of courage for most people to actually to put themselves out there and express their thoughts and feelings. And went you knock that, it really takes it out of them. So I would mostly say, try not to do that to light lol. I appreciate her feedback, and for putting her thoughts over this arc in one area so that we can improve from here.
Well first of all, I did say "not to be dismissive", so I did clarify that it wasn't my intention. Second of all, I see no reason to fake sympathy for someone who clearly doesn't really take the time to investigate any deeper than simply checking the main website every so often. Most of the work that happens is done in gdocs, which are posted in the forums. The Arc VII Agenda thread also dutifully keeps track of everything CCT does (and similarly, some of the staff have taken to detail their progress there), which further helps inform what is being done.

My view is that such a low-effort critique deserves a similarly low-effort reply.
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